ran the numbers weapon to weapon, unsure of the exact gains from the 30 all attribs which = 60 to str in my case but going off of 30 = 30 ed, read on jsp that str effects directly to wep dmg as well so i ran these numbers

WEP ONLY

eth decap 390 ED
357-1004.5
680.75 avg
987 avg w DS

Ebotd tmaul (mine) 393 + 60 ed from str =
270-1492.1
881 avg
zero DS

So yeah looks like its on avg 100ish dmg more ~11% more
now idk how much -25% target defense on botd factors in but im sure vs undead the 250% over them puts it way over death
also really enjoy the dual leach from botd

SO overall id say 10% less damage difference isnt worth trading the dual leach, 250% undead dmg and whatever -25% target defense changes
if u really wanna slap put on LOH for 350% to demons and ggwp men
tho ud have to pick up a 2/20 helm to keep 75% fcr in that case. my build is tanky for hardcore mode im practically invincible and do 83k echo dmg with 0 skillers lmao
CoA, Stormshield xD

This post was edited by Silenkiller on Feb 18 2026 08:47pm

Doom gives you basicly the same damage as Botd but also 20% deadly Strike and +2 skills. Its Even better Than BOTD (you can use the Same base since warlock doesn’t need indestructable).

Deaths deadly Strike is worth a Lot less when you consider that you also gain passive crit chance on warlock. with 90% + deadly strike , the ~35% crit Strike from your Levitation Mastery is basicly useless since they are checked after each other. So with close to 100% ds, your crit chance never applies.

So trading some DS for more damage is the way.

Doom is the best middleground having the same damage as botd while still reaching 65% deadly strike taking full advantage of the ~35% crit chance from Levitation Masterry

Death may shine in a 125fcr setup where you loose highlords, making the extra ds on death more valuable.

But with 75fcr and highlords Doom is the best for damage

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Feb 18 2026 08:54pm

I agree Doom is a great choice. Insight is also great for this build. A good +4 skills eth arioc's needle with a socket is also a nice budget choice I think.
With how the skill works now though having such OP damage... a good eth archon staff Obsession seems awesome... lower damage sure but you get so many nice other things... thoughts?
basically obsession makes getting 125fcr easy (no need for a gg circlet or amulet), high FHR easy, high resists easy, +4 skills is great and more!

havent looked into doom will check it out ty
edit: man idk, dont think 2 skills is going to out dps the lower ed and extra 60 str im getting from botd along with the other stuff i mentioned (dual leach, 250% undead dmg which is obv huge)

This post was edited by Silenkiller on Feb 18 2026 09:08pm

Really just comes down to if you HAVE to have 125 fcr or can get by with 75. 75 opens up sooo many options. I'm gonna run hardcore so stormshield is a must for me

yea good point. hardcore-minded is not me. I slant PVP-minded so high FCR/FHR/resists are all important to me. I've been toying with a bunch of different echoing strike builds and a couple included stormshield though

wow this thread is terrible.

when your argument is that 120k damage is better than 90k damage then it's clear you're just focusing on numbers whilst ignoring actual gameplay

Death > Insight > the rest

Stick to 75fcr



This post was edited by ropa on Feb 19 2026 02:54am

Isn’t this contraticting? Like thats my whole point. Especialy if you oneshot everything anyway it makes sense to go for 125. when you can basicly farm stuff with a white weapon more fcr will grant you way more overall dps and clear speed than even more damage.

The setups I posted don‘t even loose much damage its just Hard to get those 2/20 circlets and amus…

But 75fcr vs 125fcr basicly means oneshotting and teleport fast vs oneshotting and teleport Even faster.

Of course 75% is fine. You can run Obsession, ariocs needle, there are many super good options.
Without gg gear 75% is the way for sure. For max magic find also

But talking pure dps and clearspeed 125% obviously beats 75% as long as you can afford the gear.

Without gg gear you will loose to many stats. But like you said, 150k vs 900k will be the same 99% of the time. The only way to actualy get more damage at this point is casting faster.

Its like 75fcr vs 125fcr hammerdin, its just way more expensive to get there as a warlock without loosing damage.
It is possible though and will lead to an Overall better clear as long as you can afford it.

EspecialyDeath is a Lot better with 125 fcr, since 90% + ds is worth a lot less when you also have passive crit chance. Death + highlords/gores makes your crit from Levitation mastery do nothing.

With 125fcr and 2/20 amu you will still get ~65ds with death but also check for your crit if your ds doesn‘ proc

Death 75: 95% ds (crit useless) slower cast and tele
Death 125: 65% ds + 35% chance to Crit from passive, while casting faster.
Very sure that your clearspeed will increase with 125 significantly, especialy with death since the high ds% on it is worth more when you Drop highlords and actualy Benefit from crit Chance, too….

If you don‘t care for max clear speed , just use Obsession for QOL or Tomb reaver for mfing, of course. For hardcore 75% is the way too of course

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Feb 19 2026 04:02am

this is the equivalent of using a 200fcr sorc for chaos

it's not a relevant increase of clearspeed for all you lose in mf etc

100% right! I‘m Just Talking max effective damage and clear.

If you want to Go for highest mf Stick to 75%.
Use 3 isted eth tombreaver (175mf) , shako, chancies wt etc.

But if you want Max clear speed 125fcr is the way for sure.

The thing with sorc is that she has to Drop way more stats/damage to get there. And her base damage already is way lower, so you actualy feel the damage loss when it comes to clearspeed.

With warlock your base damage is like the highest in the game and you actualy don‘t even loose much damage with 125 and the right gear.


Warlock oneshots with 75% and also 125%, sorc does not and definitly looses a Lot more going up to 200% fcr

Its basicly 75% hammerdin vs 125% hammerdin, Just that it oneshots almost everything on both setups…making 125% way faster.

For me the only reason to Go to 75% is trading damage for mf.

But why would you Trade a fcr breakpoint for like 30% extra deadly strike from highlords, when you still can get to 125fcr using Doom/death/Botd?

When mfing Just use 75% and tombreaver.

For low budget clearspeed: 125% with insight
For high budget clearspeed: 125% fcr with Doom/death/botd
For high mf: 75% with toombreaver

I‘m pretty certain thats it for BIS setups, depending on purpose…But there are many good ways to Build for both 125fcr and 75fcr that will work

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Feb 19 2026 04:40am