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Feb 18 2026 07:33pm
death is interesting, never made it b4 so didnt know about the DS per level
that 30 to all stats on botd is nice tho and yields a ton of extra dmg, wouldnt surprise me if they were pretty close


They’re not rly close tbh

30 stats is just 30% ed and a bit of life

That 50% deadly strike literally gives you 50% more total damage

So after that 30% ed calculation and 15% more ed death maybe does like 40-45% more final damage than botd
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Feb 18 2026 07:34pm
None of this makes any sense

First of all death > all damage wise

Secondly there’s no point ever using fortitude weapon as long as insight is in the game. It has +6 crit as an Oskill which is gonna be level 10-12 and somewhere around 55-60% crit

It also has more fcr than forti

Best 125 fcr setup is insight with phoenix

But tbh it’s better to just roll 75 fcr with death decap and Phoenix

You should never ever use another shield than Phoenix as off weapon ed is the most broken thing about this skill

It’s even better to just run obsession + Phoenix than to go spirit and death for example


The crushing blow on death is useles, just the deadly strike works. Doom ALSO has 20% ds vs death‘s 45+%. But Doom in an eth thundermaul has a much higher base damage and +2 skills.
Especialy with 75fcr and highlords, Doom setup still reaches 60+ deadly strike. You also get ~30 crit from levitation mastery for both setups.

At this point I‘m pretty sure the much better base damage beats 25-30% extra deadly strike . Shame we cant put death in a thundermaul :D

If you go 125fcr death gets better, since you loose a lot of deadly strike on highlords, making the extra ds on death more valuable

But with 75fcr and highlords : Doom>Death when it comes to damage

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Feb 18 2026 07:54pm
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Feb 18 2026 07:39pm
I stopped listening when forti was mentioned , there is only one armor choice for any character in Diablo and its Enigma , ur welcome


Its the forti weapon my friend :)
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Feb 18 2026 07:40pm
Its the forti weapon my friend :)


ok thank god.
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Feb 18 2026 07:46pm
brother warlock is entirely different than paladin lmao
you 1 shot everything, u dont need FCR to attack fast to be fast imo
just about the teleport and i see barely any difference between 75fcr tele and 125 tele
but yeah i mean its down to preference, doesnt bother me one bit


When it comes to echoing strike it is basicly exactly the same :D

Echoing strike scales with fcr Not ias. Just like hammers . So you indeed need fcr to atack faster with it, not ias.

Warlock and paladin have the same fcr breakpoints (and frames I think).

So talking about fcr tele speed and cast speed from echoing strike and feeling of the breakpoints it is indeed exactly the same as hammerdin.

Btw especialy when you oneshot everything, your Build would Benefit from faster Casting / tele

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Feb 18 2026 07:53pm
They’re not rly close tbh

30 stats is just 30% ed and a bit of life

That 50% deadly strike literally gives you 50% more total damage

So after that 30% ed calculation and 15% more ed death maybe does like 40-45% more final damage than botd


eh its gonna be more than that.. death has less ED unless u roll a perf which most ppl wont or wanna spend on imo also most ppl level 90 so 45 DS
then 30 to all stats means 30 less u gotta put in vit so u can actually get 60 str additional
idk just thinking. either way warlock damage is already way overkill this is just for the love of the game to compare haha
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Feb 18 2026 07:55pm
When it comes to echoing strike it is basicly exactly the same :D

Echoing strike scales with fcr Not ias. Just like hammers . So you indeed need fcr to atack faster with it, not ias.

Warlock and paladin have the same fcr breakpoints (and frames I think).

So talking about fcr tele speed and cast speed from echoing strike and feeling of the breakpoints it is indeed exactly the same as hammerdin.

Btw especialy when you oneshot everything, your Build would Benefit from faster Casting / tele


i mean ive been playing this build for the last 5 days and ive tried all the combos there are and really the difference is very small
maybe over 1000 games u would see a benefit of time saved xD
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Feb 18 2026 08:01pm
They’re not rly close tbh

30 stats is just 30% ed and a bit of life

That 50% deadly strike literally gives you 50% more total damage

So after that 30% ed calculation and 15% more ed death maybe does like 40-45% more final damage than botd


Use Doom. It can also be made in eth thundermaul has almost the same base damage as Botd,+ 2 Skills (wich is Great for the build) and also 20% deadly strike, only loosing 25-30% ds compared to death.

With 75%fcr build you still reach 65%+ ds with doom highlords and gores (also ~30%crit from levitation mastery)while using phoenix.

No way death does more damage than doom in an 75fcr setup, when both rolled good in good bases.

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Feb 18 2026 08:05pm
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Feb 18 2026 08:07pm
Use Doom. It can also be made in eth thundermaul has almost the same base damage as Botd,+ 2 Skills (wich is Great for the build) and also 20% deadly strike, only loosing 25-30% ds compared to death.

With 75%fcr build you still reach 65%+ ds with doom highlords and gores (also ~30%crit from levitation mastery)while using phoenix.

No way death does more damage than doom in an 75fcr setup, when both rolled good in good bases.


It’s less damage tho and I don’t need the aura either cos bind demon with holy freeze + cursed is already BiS

Death still does more dmg btw
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Feb 18 2026 08:33pm
It’s less damage tho and I don’t need the aura either cos bind demon with holy freeze + cursed is already BiS

Death still does more dmg btw


Death basicly makes your levitation mastery crit useless

Doom can be 395ed eth thundermaul and has 20% deadly strike itself and + 2 skills.

Death only gives like 25% more deadly strike with a Lot less base damage.

With Doom you still get 65% deadly strike but so much more base damage and + 2 extra Skills.

And now the kicker: when you reach 90% deadly Strike with death , the 30+% crit strike from levitation mastery is basicly useless, since they are checked after each other.


So it is:

65% DS with 35% crit and Huge base damage and + skills

Vs

90% DS with 35% crit (wich is basicly useless) and a Lot less base damage

Taking into acount that death basicly makes your crit chance from levitation mastery useless, the 25% more ds on DEATH are in reality more like 10-15% more, while doom does a whole lot more base damage and also granting + skills.

Death beats BOTD but not doom in an eth thundermaul, no way

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Feb 18 2026 08:36pm
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