Edit: Death is a Lot worse than I thought, considering that you also gain passive crit chance from levitation mastery. With 95% ds (75% fcr death highlord Setup) your crit is basicly wasted.
With forti for example you can reach 78% effective Chance to crit with DS and your crit mastery , while having the same or more base damage as Death and reaching 125% fcr.
Basicly loosing no damage at all and gaining the 125 breakpoint.

At 125 fcr death Looses highlords, ending up with the exact same ds% as forti + highlords and lower damage. Making death a Lot worse than doom on 75% and a Lot worse Than forti on a 125% setup

So lets start:

Thought a lot about echoing strike weapon choice for an Bis setup at 125 fcr

For me it comes down to:
BOTD, Doom, Death, Fortitude, (insight, Tomb reaver)

Since the damage is so high , I‘m kinda sure that in endgame
more speed will make you more efficient than even more sheet damage. When you oneshot most stuff there is no difference in adding another 500k damage. If there aren‘t any significant nerfs to damage, I‘m sure 125fcr will be the best endgame setup.

You can achive 125 with every weapon I mentioned, so lets look at the setups with different weapons:

1. No fcr on weapon: BOTD//Doom//death

For 125 fcr you need:

Mage/to gloves 20
Arach 20
Rare/magical circlet 20
Ring 10 fcr
Ring 10fcr
Amu 15+ fcr
Mephisto tome 30 fcr
Gores
Enigma

You could also run spirit shield, then 10 fcr from amu would be enough.

The main things you are loosing is a lot of deadly strike from using an fcr amu instead of highlords. Also you can‘t use phoenix, but the new tome gives ed% and + Skills, wich may not be much worse when it comes to damage.

BOTD: Highest possible base damage, but only 15% deadly strike (from gores)
death:you loose a lot of base damage but keep high deadly strike 60%+
Doom: almost same damage as BOTD, but also +2 skills and 20% deadly strike on weapon. Seems like the best of both worlds.

Besides high base damage the only thing BOTD has going for it is dualleech, wich we can get from Rings instead when running Doom/Death.

So for me:

Doom>Death>BOTD


Now lets look at Fortitude Setup(s) with 125FCR:

2.1 With phoenix

Fortitude 25fcr
Mage/to gloves 20
Arach 20
Rare/magical circlet 20
Ring 10 fcr
Ring 10fcr
Amu 20 fcr
Phoenix
Gores
Enigma

Fortitude has a lower base damage than BOTD or DOOM (Not even that much if no god ed% roll on botd or doom). But with the added fcr, you can free up your shield slot and run phoenix. Also it has 20% deadly strike, just like doom

I‘m no expert in d2 Math … but would forti + phoenix maybe give more damage than BOTD/Doom + mephisto tome?

2.2 fortitude with highlords

Fcr:

Forti weapon 25
Mage/to gloves 20
Arach 20
Rare/magical circlet 20
Ring 10 fcr
Soj/Bk
Highlords
Mephisto tome 30 fcr
Gores
Enigma

If we keep the tome instead of phoenix, we are able to drop the fcr on the amu and use highlords.

This way we would achive 60%+ deadly strike, just like the death setup, but with bigger base damage since we can still use a thundermaul.

Looking at this i‘m pretty certain that Forti>Death with the Right setup


3. Insight setup

Insight 35
Mage/to gloves 20
Arach 20
Rare/magical circlet 20
Soj
Ring 10fcr
Amu 20 fcr
Phoenix
Gores
Enigma

For the low price insight is insane for warlock. The + crit strike + levitation mastery makes deadly strike nearly useless, so dropping highlords doesn’t hurt that much. The fcr on insight allows us to use Phoenix just like with the Forti setup.

Overall this might be a bit less damage than forti setup, but Not that much consdering the ~70% critical strike you can get with the insight.


4. Tombreaver

This is purely for MF and could use the same setup as BOTD/Death/Doom for 125 fcr.

Damage cant compete with those but if you want to Go for max mf , an 75fcr setup with chancies, Wt etc and a 3xist toombreaver will give Huge amounts of of magicfind.

Conclusion:

I‘m not an expert on d2 math 😄 but looking at the 125fcr setups, my conclusion would be:

DOOM > Forti+Phoenix > Forti+highlords > Death > insight >BOTD

75fcr (only worth for big mf farm build): Tomb reaver for max mf setup


Final thoughts/Questions:

BOTD seems way weaker in a 125 fcr setup, since you end up with only 15% ds from gores. The only thing it has going for it is dualleech , wich we can easily get from Rings.

DOOM has almost the same damage , but also +2 skills and 20%DS.

Death has a good chunk less base damage but 50% ds, wich is worth even more without highlords.

Forti beats Death, since it can still run highlords and reach the same deadly strike % while having more base damage. It may also rival doom damage with fcr amu and phoenix. Doom + tome also grants + 4 skills though wich may be the differencemaker (with its crazy base damage)

Insight is by far the best value for its price.


Final qustion for you math people: will Doom+Mephisto tome do more damage than forti+ Phoenix? Guess one of those two will be the fastest killing build in a 125% fcr setup. Or is there an even better setup that I‘m missing?

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Feb 19 2026 06:57am

is 125fcr really worth it over 75fcr previous bp? idk

same thought

If you can afford the gear it will be worth it, Talking pure clearspeed.

People run P8 with wirts leg.

Echoing strike damage can be amped up so high that more damage will basicly do nothing.
With more fcr you will cast echoing strike faster and also teleport faster wich will lead to a much better clearspeed.

You also dont realy loose much damage with the setups I showed.

Its Just super expensive. 2/20 circlets and amus aren‘t cheap.

If you are on a Budget it may be worth it with insight still.

When you oneshot anyway clearspeed will be way faster with more fcr.


For pure MF farming I‘m Sure 75% with mf gear is better.
But for clearspeed 125>>75 fcr

yeah but most people aren't bots looking to save 30 min total over 1,000 games lol
teleport 75fcr vs 125fcr is pretty similar.. idk not enough for me personally

None of this makes any sense

First of all death > all damage wise

Secondly there’s no point ever using fortitude weapon as long as insight is in the game. It has +6 crit as an Oskill which is gonna be level 10-12 and somewhere around 55-60% crit

It also has more fcr than forti

Best 125 fcr setup is insight with phoenix

But tbh it’s better to just roll 75 fcr with death decap and Phoenix

You should never ever use another shield than Phoenix as off weapon ed is the most broken thing about this skill

It’s even better to just run obsession + Phoenix than to go spirit and death for example

Have you tried hammerdin with 125fcr vs 75fcr?
Feels way smoother and there is a reason no one plays hammerdin with 75fcr if Not on super budget gear.
Its exactly the same with warlock , its just way more expensive (GG Circlet and amu) to reach 125fcr when using a big Maul instead of hoto.

Warlock needs an expensive Magic or rare 3/20 or 2/20 circlet an expensive 2/15+ amulet and good fcr rings to get there while Paladin can use shako maras and soj hitting 125fcr.

Also the only damage a 125fcr setup with for example Doom looses is deadly strike from highlords. With forti you can even keep it on.

So if you can afford gg circlet rings etc its worth it for sure. Even without its smoother with insight just think about 75 vs 125 paladin…


The only reason to drop to 75fcr (if not budget issue) is to lean into an full mf setup.

3 isted eth tombreaver with shako chancies wt etc for crazy amount of mf and still more than enough damage

When it comes to damage/clearspeed and smoothnes there is no way 75fcr can compete with 125 if you are able to get your hands on the expensive gear

brother warlock is entirely different than paladin lmao
you 1 shot everything, u dont need FCR to attack fast to be fast imo
just about the teleport and i see barely any difference between 75fcr tele and 125 tele
but yeah i mean its down to preference, doesnt bother me one bit

I stopped listening when forti was mentioned , there is only one armor choice for any character in Diablo and its Enigma , ur welcome

death is interesting, never made it b4 so didnt know about the DS per level
that 30 to all stats on botd is nice tho and yields a ton of extra dmg, wouldnt surprise me if they were pretty close