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Feb 15 2026 11:45pm
the center of the earth would be its core. i think your using a bad analogy here?

you believe the universe is infinite and eternal? had no beginning? i believe thats called steady state?


sry missed your post. I said the center of the surface of the earth, not the center of the earth. The earth has a center, the surface of the earth does not--or everywhere is the center. Imagining the universe this way is just an easy way of thinking about it without having to talk about extra dimensions.

I don't believe the universe is infinite and eternal. At some "point" an act of creation or birth or however you want to put it, happened. That seems obvious. Not only space and energy started at that point though, it's also when time started. As Augustine said and general relativity has done much to prove, there simply is no before. At least not for the energy in our universe. Without time to turn cause to effect, we need a new explanation. As I said to that other guy, believing in the big bang is believing in magic. However, we do know that the universe started in such a way. So, if we're honest, we must admit that we believe in at least one miracle.
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Feb 15 2026 11:58pm
sry missed your post. I said the center of the surface of the earth, not the center of the earth. The earth has a center, the surface of the earth does not--or everywhere is the center. Imagining the universe this way is just an easy way of thinking about it without having to talk about extra dimensions.

I don't believe the universe is infinite and eternal. At some "point" an act of creation or birth or however you want to put it, happened. That seems obvious. Not only space and energy started at that point though, it's also when time started. As Augustine said and general relativity has done much to prove, there simply is no before. At least not for the energy in our universe. Without time to turn cause to effect, we need a new explanation. As I said to that other guy, believing in the big bang is believing in magic. However, we do know that the universe started in such a way. So, if we're honest, we must admit that we believe in at least one miracle.


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Feb 16 2026 03:04am
The bang bang theory relies on a singularity. It's nothing and nowhere.

But if you don't believe in it that's fine, we can talk about what you believe. You will have to tell me what that is though. If you don't have a better explanation for the origins of the universe you should really stop pretending that you do.

You defined gravity as a force and said "you cannot see it or touch it. Yet it is there." This is all wrong. Gravity is not there, it's just a relic word we still use to discuss a concept which is too esoteric for most people to discuss in other terms... Attacking other people for being uneducated when you clearly didn't know the science you were discussing is pretty ironic bud.

Here's another one of your quotes on the subject that is all wrong "It is a force that can be observed, measured and even replicated artificially in relation to physical objects." Again, it is not a force, but also gravity can not be replicated artificially. It is the curvature of space time as we have said, unless you can curve space time you are not replicating gravity. You can use centrifugal force to achieve a result that feels similar. It is not similar.


I didn't make my beliefs public because they are irrelevant to proving christian beliefs. The only reason one would ask is to deflect from proving their beliefs by engaging in whataboutism and ridicule of other people's beliefs instead. And that is pathetic
Even if I would say that I don't know or have false beliefs doesn't automatically make christian beliefs the default correct ones.

I described gravity correctly you cannot see or touch it, it is a force in a newtonian (practical) physics and it is there.
Gravity is not an illusion — astronauts in orbit are not weightless because there’s no gravity, but because they are in continuous free fall around Earth. Gravity is still very much present on the International Space Station.
We can bend spacetime https://www.uni-heidelberg.de/en/newsroom/curved-spacetime-in-the-lab
Where did I say centrafugal force is same as gravity? Presuming as usual. I didn't say replicate gravity i said replicate gravity artificially meaning not real gravity but feels like real gravity. Learn to read. Gravity can be generated in a number of ways mass, motion, heat, or electromagnetic radiation—contributes to the curvature of spacetime and thus generates gravity. Everything with mass has gravity but because we are not very dense/very little mass our gravity field is very minute. We could make a giant death star the size of a planet just to feel a gravitational pull but that is inpractical right now. Another way is through linear acceleration. Remember at the end of the day gravity still exists as a real, observable phenomenon, whether described as a force or as spacetime curvature.

You are trying to derail the conversation as usual away from providing proof of god to talk about science instead. Lets stay on topic.
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Feb 16 2026 04:07am
I didn't make my beliefs public because they are irrelevant to proving christian beliefs. The only reason one would ask is to deflect from proving their beliefs by engaging in whataboutism and ridicule of other people's beliefs instead. And that is pathetic
Even if I would say that I don't know or have false beliefs doesn't automatically make christian beliefs the default correct ones.

I described gravity correctly you cannot see or touch it, it is a force in a newtonian (practical) physics and it is there.
Gravity is not an illusion — astronauts in orbit are not weightless because there’s no gravity, but because they are in continuous free fall around Earth. Gravity is still very much present on the International Space Station.
We can bend spacetime https://www.uni-heidelberg.de/en/newsroom/curved-spacetime-in-the-lab
Where did I say centrafugal force is same as gravity? Presuming as usual. I didn't say replicate gravity i said replicate gravity artificially meaning not real gravity but feels like real gravity. Learn to read. Gravity can be generated in a number of ways mass, motion, heat, or electromagnetic radiation—contributes to the curvature of spacetime and thus generates gravity. Everything with mass has gravity but because we are not very dense/very little mass our gravity field is very minute. We could make a giant death star the size of a planet just to feel a gravitational pull but that is inpractical right now. Another way is through linear acceleration. Remember at the end of the day gravity still exists as a real, observable phenomenon, whether described as a force or as spacetime curvature.

You are trying to derail the conversation as usual away from providing proof of god to talk about science instead. Lets stay on topic.


doesnt your belief hold up? its only fair if you attack someones belief you should have a better alternative. if you cant provide one it makes you look unreasonable
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Feb 16 2026 04:23am
I already told you why it's a bad example, read it again.

You're also clearly misunderstanding the implications of a lack of time symmetry. The laws of physics literally change. You asked me for a resource to read, I gave you one and you obviously did not read it.

The big bang theory claims that the universe sprang forth from a singularity in an act of pure wizardry. Everything came from nothing and nowhere. We can look back in time to help us build assumptions about the origin of the universe, but that's all they are is assumptions because we can only look back ~13.5b years in the past and the universe already existed at that point.



He's actually right, gravity does not "exist"... It's even in your copy/paste.

You called gravity a force in an earlier post. This is incorrect, it is the Newtonian understanding. Mass causes space-time to curve, creating the illusion of a force, "gravity". In reality an object moves in a straight line, the thing the line is drawn on just happens to be curved. There is no force "gravity" acting on the object. Stop listening to that ai, it tells you whatever you want to hear.


thanks for bringing up ai i want to talk about it.
ai is just a program and it does what its programed to
have you heard of ai psychoses?

my experience with ai
my instinct or maybe its God or the spirit? whatever it is, is telling me to stay away from ai. i seem for whatever reason i have a aversion to it.
this computer has ai and it will turn on at 'random times wants to 'talk to me. i just turn it off
in the last couple of months it has become more intrusive.
few months ago i put in some search material. results varied. the ai response i liked the way it was worded and how its content was laid out. the other sources werent even close.
this ai? is it making tailored responses depending on user its dialoging with?

the second creepy incident was bout a week ago.
i was researching something and i made several searches not having any luck.
then ai pops up and just up and confirms what i am trying to find.
that chit is creepy?
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Feb 16 2026 06:02am
I already told you why it's a bad example, read it again.

You're also clearly misunderstanding the implications of a lack of time symmetry. The laws of physics literally change. You asked me for a resource to read, I gave you one and you obviously did not read it.

The big bang theory claims that the universe sprang forth from a singularity in an act of pure wizardry. Everything came from nothing and nowhere. We can look back in time to help us build assumptions about the origin of the universe, but that's all they are is assumptions because we can only look back ~13.5b years in the past and the universe already existed at that point.



He's actually right, gravity does not "exist"... It's even in your copy/paste.

You called gravity a force in an earlier post. This is incorrect, it is the Newtonian understanding. Mass causes space-time to curve, creating the illusion of a force, "gravity". In reality an object moves in a straight line, the thing the line is drawn on just happens to be curved. There is no force "gravity" acting on the object. Stop listening to that ai, it tells you whatever you want to hear.


yep and even the big bang theory depends on induction or the regularity of the universe, this assumption that the laws of physics behave in a predictable way for the past ~13.5b years is a complete baseless assumption that is not at all justifiable using science yet science is completely dependent on it. if you ask an atheist a justification for this it's just another leap of faith they accept.

no materialistic worldview can give a justification for induction itself

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Feb 16 2026 10:33am
I didn't make my beliefs public because they are irrelevant to proving christian beliefs. The only reason one would ask is to deflect from proving their beliefs by engaging in whataboutism and ridicule of other people's beliefs instead. And that is pathetic
Even if I would say that I don't know or have false beliefs doesn't automatically make christian beliefs the default correct ones.

I described gravity correctly you cannot see or touch it, it is a force in a newtonian (practical) physics and it is there.
Gravity is not an illusion — astronauts in orbit are not weightless because there’s no gravity, but because they are in continuous free fall around Earth. Gravity is still very much present on the International Space Station.
We can bend spacetime https://www.uni-heidelberg.de/en/newsroom/curved-spacetime-in-the-lab
Where did I say centrafugal force is same as gravity? Presuming as usual. I didn't say replicate gravity i said replicate gravity artificially meaning not real gravity but feels like real gravity. Learn to read. Gravity can be generated in a number of ways mass, motion, heat, or electromagnetic radiation—contributes to the curvature of spacetime and thus generates gravity. Everything with mass has gravity but because we are not very dense/very little mass our gravity field is very minute. We could make a giant death star the size of a planet just to feel a gravitational pull but that is inpractical right now. Another way is through linear acceleration. Remember at the end of the day gravity still exists as a real, observable phenomenon, whether described as a force or as spacetime curvature.

You are trying to derail the conversation as usual away from providing proof of god to talk about science instead. Lets stay on topic.


Again, everything you said is wrong. Impressive. The bolded is my favorite tho lol all you've done in this thread is ridicule other people's beliefs and I agree with you, your behavior is pathetic.

Unlike you, my aim is not to ridicule your beliefs, but to prove that we all believe in the same basic things. Refusing to tell me what you believe reveals just as much.

I can't believe you're sticking to your guns on gravity lol just google "is gravity a force?" And you will see every scientific resource says no. Newtonian physics has been proven wrong repeatedly for a hundred years. The only reason you know anything about Newtonian physics is because it's a simpler way of explaining the universe to small children, you aren't supposed to keep believing it when you grow up.

Again, utilizing centrifugal force is in no way "replicating gravity artificially". It's replicating centrifugal force artificially.

yep and even the big bang theory depends on induction or the regularity of the universe, this assumption that the laws of physics behave in a predictable way for the past ~13.5b years is a complete baseless assumption that is not at all justifiable using science yet science is completely dependent on it. if you ask an atheist a justification for this it's just another leap of faith they accept.

no materialistic worldview can give a justification for induction itself


Well the laws of physics do seem to behave in a predictable way at least as far back as cmb, but this relies on the point of observation. Lack of time symmetry is what changes the laws of physics, violating conservation. If you travel to that other system and do all of your experiments there, there will be time symmetry and conservation will hold true just as it does here. It is only between systems(on a cosmological scale) that time symmetry breaks down. And possibly before cmb.

thanks for bringing up ai i want to talk about it.
ai is just a program and it does what its programed to
have you heard of ai psychoses?

my experience with ai
my instinct or maybe its God or the spirit? whatever it is, is telling me to stay away from ai. i seem for whatever reason i have a aversion to it.
this computer has ai and it will turn on at 'random times wants to 'talk to me. i just turn it off
in the last couple of months it has become more intrusive.
few months ago i put in some search material. results varied. the ai response i liked the way it was worded and how its content was laid out. the other sources werent even close.
this ai? is it making tailored responses depending on user its dialoging with?

the second creepy incident was bout a week ago.
i was researching something and i made several searches not having any luck.
then ai pops up and just up and confirms what i am trying to find.
that chit is creepy?


It's not actually ai. It's just an advanced search function. But yes, it uses your searches to figure out what you want to hear and then it tells you that. The more you use it, the better it gets at telling you exactly what you want to hear. You can literally make it say anything you want, just like you can find whatever you want on duckduckgo, even things which are not true. The only way to prevent this is to apply arbitrary filters(censorship), which every major public ai developer does to some extent.
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Feb 16 2026 10:50am
Again, everything you said is wrong. Impressive. The bolded is my favorite tho lol all you've done in this thread is ridicule other people's beliefs and I agree with you, your behavior is pathetic.

Unlike you, my aim is not to ridicule your beliefs, but to prove that we all believe in the same basic things. Refusing to tell me what you believe reveals just as much.

I can't believe you're sticking to your guns on gravity lol just google "is gravity a force?" And you will see every scientific resource says no. Newtonian physics has been proven wrong repeatedly for a hundred years. The only reason you know anything about Newtonian physics is because it's a simpler way of explaining the universe to small children, you aren't supposed to keep believing it when you grow up.

Again, utilizing centrifugal force is in no way "replicating gravity artificially". It's replicating centrifugal force artificially.



Well the laws of physics do seem to behave in a predictable way at least as far back as cmb, but this relies on the point of observation. Lack of time symmetry is what changes the laws of physics, violating conservation. If you travel to that other system and do all of your experiments there, there will be time symmetry and conservation will hold true just as it does here. It is only between systems(on a cosmological scale) that time symmetry breaks down. And possibly before cmb.



It's not actually ai. It's just an advanced search function. But yes, it uses your searches to figure out what you want to hear and then it tells you that. The more you use it, the better it gets at telling you exactly what you want to hear. You can literally make it say anything you want, just like you can find whatever you want on duckduckgo, even things which are not true. The only way to prevent this is to apply arbitrary filters(censorship), which every major public ai developer does to some extent.


that supports my theory? such a system would/could cause the psychosis that is being reported?
a person that has ever thought and whim confirmed? one would/could believe themsels as some kind of super mind?
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that supports my theory? such a system would/could cause the psychosis that is being reported?
a person that has ever thought and whim confirmed? one would/could believe themsels as some kind of super mind?


Idk maybe, it certainly helps convince dull people that they sound smart.
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Feb 16 2026 11:24am
Idk maybe, it certainly helps convince dull people that they sound smart.


whole new level of confirmation bias?
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