Maybe, i don't know, stop illegally occupying people if you want peace? Maybe.

So what is Israel supposed to do, set free a people who have repeatedly demonstrated their intention to genocide them?

By the way, they already tried what you propose in the past:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the_Gaza_Strip

In 2005, Israel dismantled its remaining settlements inside the Gaza Strip, withdrew its forces and gave them autonomy over all internal affairs. The Gazans conducted a free election which produced a majority for none other than Hamas, which immediately proceeded to eliminate all opposition, independent media and freedom of speech, turning Gaza into a dictatorship under their rule. Fast forward 16 years and the Oct 7 attack on Israel is launched by Hamas fighters originating from Gaza.

Occupying the Palestinians doesn't work for Israel, but not occupying them hasn't worked out great either. Now what?

In 2005, Israel dismantled its remaining settlements inside the Gaza Strip, withdrew its forces and gave them autonomy over all internal affairs.

Yes and Santa is real and so is the tooth fairy.

Israel’s 2005 disengagement did remove Israeli settlements and permanent ground forces from inside the Gaza Strip, ending direct day-to-day administration. However, this did not amount to granting Gaza autonomy over “all internal affairs.” Meaningful autonomy requires control over borders, airspace, maritime access, and freedom from external military intervention - none of which Gaza possessed after 2005.

Following the withdrawal, Israel retained control over Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters, regulated most border crossings, controlled imports, exports, fuel, electricity, and the population registry, and routinely conducted military operations inside the territory. A territory that cannot control who or what enters or leaves, has no independent air or sea access, and remains subject to external military action cannot reasonably be described as having autonomy over all internal affairs. It can however be described as the largest open air prison in the world.

Feel free to remind us again how Israel... "gave them autonomy over all internal affairs".

now what? am i lying? have I interpreted your statement incorrectly?

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 9 2026 04:55pm

Right. Because the only thing standing between Hamas and peaceful coexistence was an airport and anti-air missiles.

Here is the real timeline:

2005: Israel withdraws
2006: Hamas elected
2007: Hamas coup
2007 onward: rockets, kidnappings, tunnel warfare
Then restrictions intensify

Prove me wrong

No one disputes the time line i think. You're just not being honest about the story.

2005: Israel withdraws - except they maintain control of air, water, electricity. They also control borders and therefor all imports and exports.
2006: Hamas elected
2007: Hamas coup - Which israeli primeminister propped up Hamas for the sole purpose of creating a divide https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
2007 onward: rockets, kidnappings, tunnel warfare - yes agree Israel has bombed them alot.
Then restrictions intensify - they were always there to begin with.

Prove me wrong.

why should I prove you wrong? everything you said is factual. not sure on the word "coup" but there is no need to argue semantics.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 10 2026 03:44am

Israel didnt bombed them unprovoked

If you think peaceful coexistence had been on the table in 2005 if only Israel had given the Gazans full control over their borders, airspace etc., that the Palestinians and particularly the Hamas fighters would no longer have wanted to cleanse the Holy Land "from the river to the sea", you are the one living in fairyland.

That aside, all the things you described fall under the umbrella of Israel still controlling the external affairs/foreign policy of Gaza following the 2005 withdrawal, so it's not actually a contradiction of what I wrote.

you are deflecting now, i am not suggesting any of the things you are, I am saying you are wrong. Control of borders, airspace, sea access, population registry, trade, utilities, and the right to conduct military operations are core elements of internal governance, not mere “external affairs.” You can double down again if you want but I wont reply. I am not talking about Gaza or Israel or anywhere else here, I am highlighting that your post is wrong, and when I called it out you doubled down.

you refuse to concede the point. this bad faith debating is so tiresome. I had this same conversation with other users. What is stopping you from simply conceding this point? thats what you do in a debate - you concede a point. it does not mean you are wrong or that the other person "wins" it just means your argument is not sound. move to the next point, its no big deal. look at Many_Names, when he points something out, and its correct, I agree with him. look i will even do it for you:

Whether Israel pulled out and gave Gaza full autonomy or not, it is highly likely that Hamas would still have attacked Israel, in fact it is more likely that they would have done an even worse attack (Agreeing with you). As an argument however, that does in no way refute my argument, which is that Israel did in fact not give Gaza autonomy over all internal affairs.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 10 2026 02:21pm

The Dahiya doctrine, also spelled Dahya or Dahieh,[1] is an Israeli military strategy involving the large-scale destruction of civilian infrastructure, or domicide, to pressure hostile governments.[2][3][4][5] The doctrine was outlined by former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizenkot. Israel colonel Gabi Siboni wrote that Israel "should target economic interests and the centers of civilian power that support the organization".[6] The logic is to cause difficulties for the civilian population so much that they will then turn against the militants, forcing the enemy to sue for peace.[6][7][4]

you cannot make peace with barbarians, they only understand violence