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Feb 6 2026 04:42am
You're making some very bold leaps of logic here, pulling an archaic form of centralization out of your bunghole for the sake of argument, when there are already existing forms of nationalization (Germany, Australia, in limited forms) that have proven perfectly effective. You're also assuming the extreme decentralization the US operates under is inherently more anti-corruption when it is merely more fragmented and corruption can therefore pick off smaller and weaker targets rather than attempt to subvert the entire system at once. And indeed this happens to frequently, with swing state districts and counties showing massive and virtually impossible data outliers that have chosen presidential elections.


If you want to compare the U.S. election to one of a similar scale, you have to look at the European Parliament elections, which are organized by each individual country according to their own rules. You are essentially comparing two very different systems. Not only does Germany have about a quarter of the U.S. population, but it is also more than 20 times smaller geographically. Furthermore, its democracy is more parliamentary than presidential.

Governments in Germany are usually formed by at least two parties, and the president has no executive power.

You still haven’t addressed how a nationalized system would safeguard elections in swing states. The greatest threat to free elections comes from the federal government—it has the most at stake and the most leverage. Giving it even more power doesn’t seem wise to me.
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Feb 6 2026 07:19am
The major issue--at least historically--with Voter ID is the process by which valid IDs are determined. There's been a history of political parties comparing demographic data to types of IDs owned and disproportionately extending validity to forms of ID predominately held by the voters whom they believe would vote for them. Those that belong to a demographic they have little to no anticipated support from do not make the list of valid IDs.


while i agree, its due to a lack of national consistency. im all for states rights but not when we're voting for a federal president. nationwide all IDs should be required, paid for by the govt, with programs to help people get them if they arent able for some reason. then the dust would settle fairly quickly. if a person sits out through 3 election cycles with no ID thats on them at that point.
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Feb 6 2026 08:45am
You can get a digital ID for free though.

People complaining not having ID are crackheads living under a bridge or corrupt scum. Everyone else has at least one form of ID and usually several.
If you struggling financially the government can reduce or even waive the fee
Form DS-64 (Affidavit of Non-Payment) along with proof of financial hardship.

There is literally 0 excuses. If you are arguing for no voter ID you are essentially arguing for voter fraud


I am not arguing against voter ID , I was simply saying everything mostly has a fee attached to it now. In-fact if you look at all my posts, I am in favour of identification.
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Feb 6 2026 11:49am
The major issue--at least historically--with Voter ID is the process by which valid IDs are determined. There's been a history of political parties comparing demographic data to types of IDs owned and disproportionately extending validity to forms of ID predominately held by the voters whom they believe would vote for them. Those that belong to a demographic they have little to no anticipated support from do not make the list of valid IDs.


That the group of people who so powerfully believe government can be a force of good, bettering the lives of everyone in the nation, are unable to even bring themselves to imagine a system of fair voter IDs. Is it ironic, or is it a coincidence?

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Feb 6 2026 11:54am
Hours on end?

All of my voting is a simple in and out immediately at the local library. I've never had this scenario play out. I've also seen you agree with people on here that believe in flat Earth.

You are all over the place lol.


I live in a small town in NJ. For the presidential election, I had to wait almost an hour to vote, and that was towards the end of the day, an hour or so before the polls closed. The gubernatorial election had only a 10-minute wait time. I would certainly believe that the wait time for certain locations is terrible lol

/aw shit i doubleposted

This post was edited by Jupe on Feb 6 2026 11:54am
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Feb 6 2026 12:25pm
How many times have you noticed your vote made things better? :lol: In America...The 18-60 age group it has just been getting worse no matter dem or rep elected...The same sht dif day..
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Feb 6 2026 12:32pm
why not just have a Face ID software? you already have an SSN tied to several verification data points
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Feb 6 2026 12:37pm
why not just have a Face ID software? you already have an SSN tied to several verification data points


We are going to ge to some bio id, or chipped, or something along those lines. It's been two years since I last went through customs, but I seem to remember some facial thing I did on the computer.
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Feb 6 2026 04:15pm
We are going to ge to some bio id, or chipped, or something along those lines. It's been two years since I last went through customs, but I seem to remember some facial thing I did on the computer.


I think that would be less biased to purposely deny people photo ID that doesn't forecast to a particular party's interests
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Feb 6 2026 11:06pm
Tbh I dont know why Trump (Federal) is crying about this when he was always championed states rights.
He knows hes gonna lose congress. Only reason to cry about it now.
Should have come up with better policy instead of "brOwN pEOplE bAD" and "cHIna baD"
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