Quote (Jakee @ Feb 4 2026 02:52pm)

The lld community is not very large. And pretty much 99% of anyone involved knows the rules. The 1% who don’t won’t be casting weaken. They’ll be casting amp, or decrepify if they want to be bm.

If I wanted to be bm I would not be casting weaken. It’s just not that good.

Quote (ThePinkPanther @ Feb 4 2026 02:56pm)

Instead of 17 diff rules regarding each specific charge casts and when and where they can or cant be used is just much 1 rule is fine.. no charge casts. Solves the whole problem with 3 words

Quote (losm @ Feb 4 2026 02:57pm)

So you're basically agreeing with me that weaken shouldn't be banned because it's not that strong, it's only banned because people are too lazy to write out all the rules.

Thank you.

Quote (losm @ Feb 4 2026 02:54pm)

Well I'm questioning the idea why weaken should be banned. Like everyone has said so far - the weaken curse is not that good, which I agree with you. However then why is it considered BM if it's not that good?

Something should only be banned if it imbalances the game. If it doesn't imbalanced the game, it shouldn't be banned. A blanket rule like precasting curse is bm is not a good one because some curses aren't that strong like weaken.

Yes I agree with you amp or decrepify should be banned because they're too powerful. But weaken is not that strong, why is it banned? Just because of a blanket rule?

Quote (Jakee @ Feb 4 2026 03:02pm)

Physical Damage Reduction: Weaken reduces the physical damage output of the target by a significant percentage (33% base, scaling higher with skill points). In LLD, where many builds rely on physical damage, reducing that output by roughly one-third makes it difficult for them to secure a kill.
Negation of Damage Gear: In LLD, players spend immense time optimizing gear to maximize damage. A single cast of Weaken invalidates a portion of that investment, disrupting the balance of gearing in duels.
Stacking Issues and Lack of Counterplay: While in higher-level PvM, monsters have enhanced damage that can "counter" the curse, players in LLD often do not have enough off-weapon enhanced damage to effectively negate the reduction.
Etiquette and Potion Restrictions: Weaken is considered "BM" or an "unfair" tactic, as it nerfs an opponent without requiring significant investment from the user.

Quote (losm @ Feb 4 2026 03:06pm)

Ok now you are saying weaken is too strong so it should be banned. Unlike all the previous comments that are telling me that weaken is useless or not that strong.

That said what you quoted isn't completely accurate (looks like a chatgpt response) since weaken reduces from the total % enhanced dmg, so say if you have combined 400%ed from gear + skills + stats bonus, then it takes 40% off that so it'll become 360%ed, it doesn't actually reduce dmg by not one-third like you quoted. So it's not that strong

Quote (GuLGaJoL @ Feb 4 2026 03:20pm)

Quote (losm @ Feb 4 2026 03:24pm)

You clearly are missing the point. No I don't because some of those are overpowered and banned for a reason. Grief is totally normal to be used by a smiter so not sure why you included that in there, since no one is talking about gm melee here.

The consensus so far is that the weaken curse is not that good, which I agree with. However then why is it considered BM if it's not that good?

Something should only be banned if it imbalances the game. If it doesn't imbalanced the game, it shouldn't be banned