This thread isn't about my personal beliefs, you desperately keep avoiding to stay on topic which terrifies you for some reason...
Your lame excuses have no power here

no proof = fake religion.
Deal with it.



You produce no valid proof except emotional arguments like "people die for it therefore it must be true" which I quickly dismantled.
Once you realized how childish that argument sounded you are now switching up the conversation and trying to talk about my childhood for some reason. Anything but to provide proof ha?
Wake me up when you have actual proof as the emotional manipulation tactics from your cult manual don't work here.

I'll leave this here might put things into perspective. Almost all religious people are a byproduct of their geography, parents and culture. If you take 2 siblings and you put one in a christian household and the other in a Buddhist household they will take on the beliefs of their parents almost always. On a rare occasion some will choose a different religion outside their immediate surroundings. And its always the people doing the talking you find an isolated tribe who hasn't been exposed to other humans they wouldn't have a clue who you are talking about. This is a confirmation that your god isn't universal and unless humans didn't keep the story alive he wouldn't exist.
Gravity is universal so is the sun you don't need to convince someone that they are real through some book. Ask yourself why does your god require humans to speak on his behalf?



This post was edited by addone on Jan 30 2026 07:50pm

you didn't answer my question. why ought someone feel happy and how do you know this is the case?
another example is why ought murders not murder and how do you know this is the case?

your reasoning is "At the end, they will not rape/kill your kids and you will be more happy."

why ought I be happy and how do know this is the case?

Me countering your "contradictions" is me avoiding to stay on topic?

Facebook memes and Ai generated messages to fit your narrative is not staying on topic to your original idea.

You've been the main one off topic since the start.

You have not produced one valid personal thought of your own. Nothing but hate, mockery, and emotional outburst from you this entire time.

Then you asked Sh00p to back you up because your alone in this thread with your memes.

Scared to admit your personal beliefs because you know it's silly.

This post was edited by D_urRRR on Jan 30 2026 08:51pm

I am only posting this here because there is a chance that you might come to faith in Jesus because of the great thing He has done for us.

Quote from the Book 'Divine Exchange,' by Derek Prince (Minister of God who worked mightily in Jesus Christ our Lord)

A Marvelous Transaction:

Here then is the true meaning and purpose of the Cross. On the Cross, a divinely ordained exchange took place. First, Jesus endured in our place all the evil consequences that we deserved (by divine justice) because of our iniquity. In exchange, God now offers us all the good that was due to the sinless obedience of Jesus. Praise God.
The Bible reveals many different aspects of the exchange and many different areas in which it applies. In each case, however, the same powerful principle holds true: The evil came upon Jesus that the corresponding good might be offered to us.


This is the wonderful Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

This post was edited by sew on Jan 30 2026 09:02pm

your proof
deal with it

Short term memory with the Genealogy? The only things you have posted here are other people's work or AI. None of these thoughts ever came from you. I already said I want to debate addone but addone hasn't posted anything that is their own thoughts.

If you won't tell your story then I'll tell yours for you and that will be the truth. The truth is your parents are atheists and you have taken it upon yourself to keep them proud...if they aren't divorced that is.

The truth is you have no friends who are Christian. You don't have any idea what Christianity is about. You offer absolutely nothing in exchange for the Christian to give up the faith. You aren't even putting up a deceptive argument.

You haven't learned how to argue or debate. You spent so much time dodging that your go to response is to post memes that aren't even your own.

You can just claim to quickly dismantle an argument or is it that you said you did in order to evade that topic? People will die for their beliefs but will you die for someone else's memes that you posted?

Genealogy was not proof as we have already established it wasn't explicitly stated you just assumed they were brothers. At best its a technical possibility at worst its mental gymnastics to make up for an obvious contradiction.
Dont forget it was only one of hundreds contradictions you haven't even began to address.

Already made it abundantly clear that source doesn't matter but you are still crying.

Your argument about "people who are willing to die for their beliefs, therefore beliefs must be true was pathetic. You trying to talk about my personal beliefs have no bearing on your ability to prove jesus. Yet you keep nagging how I am dodging lol. The only one dodging is you. I already stated what kind of proof is required and you keep dodging.
Your latest strategy seems to be accuse me of the things you are doing.

Either you have that proof or kindly keep your unsubstantiated claims to yourself.

Alright so as we established the christians will find any excuse to not provide proof as cowards they are.

One of my favourite examples of complete nonsense to point out is the story of Jonah and how he was swallowed by a "great fish'

Jonah 1:17
Now the LORD provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

The only fish that is capable of doing that is a whale shark or maybe a huge great white. If you broaden the definition to mammals then whales like sperm and blue whale and maybe an orca.

Here is a list of very big problems with this story.

Firstly anatomically speaking it would be impossible to be swallowed whole by a whale shark because the oesophagus which is only about 4-6 inches. It is designed for plankton, krill and small fish.
So if you consider sitting in the mouth being swallowed the only creatures that could technically swallow us whole are huge great white, sperm whale or an orca.

Secondly being swallowed whole is not like sitting in a nice comfortable room with no lights. There were only like a couple of cases where divers were swallowed accidentally by a whale and they were quickly spat out. They were nearly crushed by the sheer weight of the jaws.There is no oxygen in there you cannot breathe inside a fish.

Thirdly if by some incredibly freak accident you were swallowed whole and are now inside a stomach of a great fish you are squeezed throug a very tight tract suffocated almost immediately. Now this kid's story wants you to believe Jonah spent 3 days and nights inside the fish. So let's suspend our disbelief to entertain this ridiculous scenario for a moment. Lets say by some way jonah has been provided oxygen to breathe inside this fish. We need to account for powerful stomach acids that dissolve bone and flesh. According to google digestion process of whales is about 15-18 hours. Which means the contents of the stomach in this case Jonah will become whale excrement in under a day.

Fourthly Jonah would need water and food to survive not to mention go to the bathroom while being drenched in salt water being digested by stomach acids, getting crushed by powerful jaws.

But according to the bible it was barely an inconvenience for Jonah because he was perfectly fine.

If anyone requires sources for verification of fish measurements and proof that you cannot survive 3 days without oxygen ill happily provide the data and case studies.

Did matter precede consciousness, or did consciousness precede matter?

I think this is a very important baseline

We barely understand what consciousness is much less where it comes from. It will be nothing more than speculation and thats assuming they didn't originate simultaneously.

I think its best we focus on what we know and can prove today. For example we can prove that its impossible/ to gather all the species on earth organise them on one boat and survive for over a year. Its impossible genetically to have 2 people procreate the entire human race without incest and create completely inbred civilization. But the bible insists that its possible. Not once but twice first with Adam and Eve then with Noah and his sons