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Jan 30 2026 01:04pm
Celebration of Lemon's arrest should be held until he is convicted and sentenced to a minimum 5 years imprisonment

This could be seen as throwing a bone after Trump's disastrous betrayal on housing prices, not falling for it

This post was edited by El1te on Jan 30 2026 01:06pm
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Jan 30 2026 01:14pm
Man this thread sometimes goes so off topic it went to hot topic
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Jan 30 2026 01:34pm
Id just add two points, biden deported WAY less than obama. in fact trump is about to pass biden. iirc he had like 350k over 4 years total, but let in 10 million+. so his numbers are historically bad on both sides.

with obama he moved in silence. most people didnt even know. but once they found out he ended up needing to change his policy to only deport criminal illegals, so towards the end he deported far less. very very very heavy front end tho, dude was a terror of the latino community.


The difference of having the MSM wind behind your sails vs actively trying to undermine

Reality is Obama was right and Trump's policy also aligns with what Obama did. This should have never bloomed into such a controversial issue. Obama's words below proved prophetic, as lack of enforcement led to a huge swell under Biden.



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Jan 30 2026 02:00pm
The difference of having the MSM wind behind your sails vs actively trying to undermine

Reality is Obama was right and Trump's policy also aligns with what Obama did. This should have never bloomed into such a controversial issue. Obama's words below proved prophetic, as lack of enforcement led to a huge swell under Biden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTIYrTEYTNU


While the media 100% did play a role, and it was a big one, we can't ignore the benefit of moving in silence. Obama offered a vague vision of change. people forget he was a populist candidate that started off as a seemingly grassroots movement. he had to get Biden and Hillary out of the way in the 2008 primary, and he did with brutal effectiveness, while also bringing both into his regime in top roles.

Obama didnt scream from the mountain top what he was going to do specifically outside of a few things like get out of iraq and no new major deployments of troops. and healthcare change.

the most effective presidents of our lifetime have done most of the major things they did without screaming about it during the campaign. prime change, dont promise specifics. thats been trumps downfall. he basically told the media what to look out for while bragging they cant stop him, and they have.
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Jan 30 2026 02:08pm
While the media 100% did play a role, and it was a big one, we can't ignore the benefit of moving in silence. Obama offered a vague vision of change. people forget he was a populist candidate that started off as a seemingly grassroots movement. he had to get Biden and Hillary out of the way in the 2008 primary, and he did with brutal effectiveness, while also bringing both into his regime in top roles.

Obama didnt scream from the mountain top what he was going to do specifically outside of a few things like get out of iraq and no new major deployments of troops. and healthcare change.

the most effective presidents of our lifetime have done most of the major things they did without screaming about it during the campaign. prime change, dont promise specifics. thats been trumps downfall. he basically told the media what to look out for while bragging they cant stop him, and they have.


Maybe it's a good thing that Trump is like this because it showed people the amount of insane people walking around them. If you can't control your emotion and lose your cool at the simplest things then you likely have mental problems. A nurse advocating to inject ICE agents with an anesthetic, ya unhinged.
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While the media 100% did play a role, and it was a big one, we can't ignore the benefit of moving in silence. Obama offered a vague vision of change. people forget he was a populist candidate that started off as a seemingly grassroots movement. he had to get Biden and Hillary out of the way in the 2008 primary, and he did with brutal effectiveness, while also bringing both into his regime in top roles.

Obama didnt scream from the mountain top what he was going to do specifically outside of a few things like get out of iraq and no new major deployments of troops. and healthcare change.

the most effective presidents of our lifetime have done most of the major things they did without screaming about it during the campaign. prime change, dont promise specifics. thats been trumps downfall. he basically told the media what to look out for while bragging they cant stop him, and they have.


Trump used it as a key issue to get elected on but even before that the narrative of him hating Mexicans, 'kids in cages', AOC photoshoot, etc. was set in motion. There was a notable shift within the Democratic party and subsequently you had widespread MSM partisan coverage of immigration.

Sure Trump played his part in stoking the division but lets not pretend there wasn't a huge and organized opposition to him on immigration even before that.


Thousands didn't take to the streets in the dead of winter to block ICE enforcement in such a brazen way under Obama. There was some level of cooperation between fed and states/munis on the coordination and enforcement. Now non cooperation is touted as some great moral high ground, while criminal harassment of federal officers is lionized.
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Jan 30 2026 03:06pm
God damn Laura loomer looks like fucking garbage...
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Jan 30 2026 03:16pm
God damn Laura loomer looks like fucking garbage...


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God damn Laura loomer looks like fucking garbage...


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Jan 30 2026 03:27pm
Trump used it as a key issue to get elected on but even before that the narrative of him hating Mexicans, 'kids in cages', AOC photoshoot, etc. was set in motion. There was a notable shift within the Democratic party and subsequently you had widespread MSM partisan coverage of immigration.

Sure Trump played his part in stoking the division but lets not pretend there wasn't a huge and organized opposition to him on immigration even before that.


Thousands didn't take to the streets in the dead of winter to block ICE enforcement in such a brazen way under Obama. There was some level of cooperation between fed and states/munis on the coordination and enforcement. Now non cooperation is touted as some great moral high ground, while criminal harassment of federal officers is lionized.


Obama was fairly centrist by comparison from the public perception standpoint. while he was deporting millions he was also working on heathcare for all. while he was bombing weddings in the middle east he was touting clean energy initiatives. etc.

it also helped that he was attacked personally so much that his own side would never turn on him. meanwhile the trump whitehouse thusfar has been 100% for the donor class, we've gotten almost nothing out of 10 years except lifetime appointment judicial control. thats why the america first crowd is peeling away its support constantly, these aren't the character focused never trumpers of 2016. these are policy minded pragmatists that are getting scared off by a lot of honestly scary behavior that is making american life worse.
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