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Jan 29 2026 05:32am
on reading the above posts, the thread that keeps on giving.

moving on...



the entire issue with the democrats is that when the republicans started to organize back in 2003-4, and pursue a "you vs them" mentality, the democrats tried and failed to regain the center. Instead they went hard left with culture wars and wacky ways of thinking. in this regard you could be on to something.

Oh look, ICE is now invading countries. There are SO MANY videos of ICE behaving badly its unreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkbxwjF3IoQ


It really is insane how ridiculous ICE has been behaving. So many people in this thread (and elsewhere) continue to try and dishonestly frame these arguments as “ICE just enforcing the law.”

That’s not really what’s happening. The issue is the way ICE continues to comport themselves. Trying to get into a foreign governments consulate is absolutely fucking insane. We have countless videos where ICE immediately moves to become physical and aggressive with folks for no reason. Beating up people who aren’t a threat simply because they can, shooting reporters with rubber bullets simply for reporting on their activities, or now apparently executing someone on the streets protesting.

Yet here we are some folks will continue to defend anything even remotely republican adjacent to the death because damnit that’s their team.
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Jan 29 2026 05:41am
It really is insane how ridiculous ICE has been behaving. So many people in this thread (and elsewhere) continue to try and dishonestly frame these arguments as “ICE just enforcing the law.”

That’s not really what’s happening. The issue is the way ICE continues to comport themselves. Trying to get into a foreign governments consulate is absolutely fucking insane. We have countless videos where ICE immediately moves to become physical and aggressive with folks for no reason. Beating up people who aren’t a threat simply because they can, shooting reporters with rubber bullets simply for reporting on their activities, or now apparently executing someone on the streets protesting.

Yet here we are some folks will continue to defend anything even remotely republican adjacent to the death because damnit that’s their team.


Funny how you leave out the part where these illegal invader career criminals should have been repelled from entering with lethal force in the 1st place.
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Jan 29 2026 06:02am
lol duhhhhh

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/air-marshals-mistaken-for-ice-agents-chased-out-of-la-county-restaurant/ar-AA1Veoul?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=697b472efc9a44d89f14bc3345e5ed4f&ei=17
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Three federal air marshals were chased out of a Lynwood restaurant after a crowd mistook them for immigration agents on Wednesday, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

The apparent case of mistaken identity occurred around 6:20 p.m. at Plaza Mexico, in the 3100 block of E. Imperial Hwy. The air marshals were having dinner at a Korean barbecue restaurant when someone recognized them as Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, according to deputies.
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Jan 29 2026 07:10am
Well like I was saying it creates this really tortured and messy string of actions and justifications. The guy moving his hands may be a product of the guys grappling with him and pepper spraying him, so the officers may be causing the involuntary motions that then get consciously or subconsciously perceived as threatening. And given they had reason to use force in the first place, it diffuses the responsibility and guilt along each step of the chain. Its not like some easy transferred intent doctrine in 3rd degree murder where committing an inherently violent crime could lead to someone dying. That is precisely the mind boggling wilful misapplication and corruption of the law we saw in the Kim Potter case, where they argued that officer Potter was committing felony assault when she used a taser on a fleeing murder suspect, because they needed to establish an underlying crime to transfer intent to the mistake that caused Wright's death. All they needed to do at trial was kick up enough obfuscation and confusion that a jury could convict someone on a premise that's absolute bullshit and legally incomprehensible, because a prejudiced jury will convict someone regardless of the facts or logic. The chewbacca prosecution, I guess

That all speaks to the lens of culpability and legality and outcomes in this case. But if we're looking at the future and rules or changing we could change, eh, I think it falls into the same trap as legislating gun control around school shootings. Cases like this are so incredibly infrequent and unpredictable that any doctrine changes have vastly disproportionate consequences and will never avert a future scenario anyway.

now maybe they should be laying off the wanton pepper spray for other reasons, I probably agree with that


I think its honestly pretty simple, train officers to wait out a period after pepper spray with only vocal commands to allow people who have been sprayed to compose themselves and comply before escalating a situation. they dont seem to have an issue with that when they're drive by pepper spraying lines of protesters, but somehow it seems to be a bigger issue in active arrests. in general what ive seen out of ice is messy fast arrests, its just bad practice. slow things down stop getting so jumpy and do proper arrests. or ignore the protesters unless criminal damage is done to officers or vehicles. ice should imo get more comfortable with people filming them everywhere they go, or they'll compromise the mission and waste time and resources on blue haired wierdos forever.

in general the idea someone would be gang piled and cuffed 10 seconds or less after being maced is silly. pepper spray, stand by with a hand on your sidearm in case they draw a weapon, then arrest once the mind rage inducing pain starts to set in and they can actually follow commands. its just bad procedure and hasty action.
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Jan 29 2026 07:48am
Bovino's press conference this morning;

>Accepting responsibility for Minneapolis, Sky Marshal Bovino resigns. His successor, Sky Marshal Honan outlines his new strategy; "To fight the bug, we must understand the bug. We can ill afford another Metro Surge"
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Jan 29 2026 07:56am
Bovino's press conference this morning;

>Accepting responsibility for Minneapolis, Sky Marshal Bovino resigns. His successor, Sky Marshal Honan outlines his new strategy; "To fight the bug, we must understand the bug. We can ill afford another Metro Surge"


man of culture. lol.

would you like to know more?
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Jan 29 2026 07:59am
Bovino's press conference this morning;

>Accepting responsibility for Minneapolis, Sky Marshal Bovino resigns. His successor, Sky Marshal Honan outlines his new strategy; "To fight the bug, we must understand the bug. We can ill afford another Metro Surge"


Buenos Aires meteor strike was a false flag operation, or at least deliberately allowed to happen by the fascist Terran Federation to justify the war, boost recruitment, and sustain their militarized society.
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Jan 29 2026 10:00am
Buenos Aires meteor strike was a false flag operation, or at least deliberately allowed to happen by the fascist Terran Federation to justify the war, boost recruitment, and sustain their militarized society.


changing what was a truly epic masterpiece of a novel that had deep and insightful ideas about the potential of humans into a goofy accidental comedy was a crime that i will never forget. if not for the memes it gave us there would be no silver lining.
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Jan 29 2026 10:07am
changing what was a truly epic masterpiece of a novel that had deep and insightful ideas about the potential of humans into a goofy accidental comedy was a crime that i will never forget. if not for the memes it gave us there would be no silver lining.


but would you like to know more? do you get me?
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Jan 29 2026 10:17am
changing what was a truly epic masterpiece of a novel that had deep and insightful ideas about the potential of humans into a goofy accidental comedy was a crime that i will never forget. if not for the memes it gave us there would be no silver lining.


Well damn if your novel is an exploration on the merits of a hypothetical pseudoutopian fascist state and your director grew up under nazi occupation what you expect
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