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Jan 27 2026 07:19pm
Then the point of praying is what? Praying for your sick family members heath to improve and it gets worse or they die. Praying for war to end and another one starts instead. Thanks for proving my point for me buddy. You're right god doesnt owe us anything. And thats not the kind of deity I wish to believe in when his storybook is full of how much they love us.


So you disagree with free will.
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Jan 27 2026 07:21pm
You know we have real statistics that demonstrate outcomes from single parenthood, married parenthood, and effective schooling. When you remove a parent from the household the kid is nearly twice as likely to have Emotional & Behavioral Health issues.

Schooling is meant to be a system that supports parents to ensure their children are taught well throughout their years.

A successful family and a successful school shows greater results for the children that excel in both.

Apply the Christian purpose of a husband, wife, and child you see even better results.

The only reason you wouldn't want the commandments in school is because it mentions the Lord. It has nothing to do with its moral principles with you. You also responded with your link in my response to it not being "forced" and your example does not show a forced measure to shove christianity down a childs throat. If you actually knew the statistical outcomes of each category I mentioned above you would be more open to the idea of a school being more involved.


Why are you conflating the 10 commandments with household makeup? I'm lost.

I agree with a lot of what you said. An intact nuclear family is preferable as you said and as statistics show.

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Jan 27 2026 07:22pm
So you disagree with free will.


So you agree theres no point in praying. What have humans done with free will in the last thirty years that doesnt just warrant another flood? Is god just supposed to sit there and twiddle his dick eating cheetos while evil free will dominates his creation? Your augments are pathetic so far.
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Jan 27 2026 07:33pm
Why are you conflating the 10 commandments with household makeup? I'm lost.

I agree with a lot of what you said. An intact nuclear family is preferable as you said and as statistics show.


I'm speaking from a position of seeing the importance of a husband/father, wife/mother, and child living their purpose biblically as God has called them to. I feel all of this ties together. I would personally want to see married households putting God first in their everyday lives.

The ten commandments include moral principle that each human should abide by. Disciplined and abiding by the law. If you aren't a believer in God that's fine, we can leave him out of this conversation specifically if you'd like, but this is specifically my belief and why I wouldn't mind moral principle being taught in school. Not just the ten commandments. You are right moral principle can be taught without it present in the school system. I just see no harm in including it myself.
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Jan 27 2026 07:42pm
So you agree theres no point in praying. What have humans done with free will in the last thirty years that doesnt just warrant another flood? Is god just supposed to sit there and twiddle his dick eating cheetos while evil free will dominates his creation? Your augments are pathetic so far.


Is it really that hard for you to remain civil and kind in a conversation that includes a topic you disagree with?

God does do miracles. There are plenty of testimonies and incidents where miracles happen through prayer. Not that you would believe anyone sharing these testimonies and you'll apply whatever theory you think sounds good because you're an unbeliever.

This idea that you have that God should always step in and prevent all forms of evil. This eliminates the design and gift of his free will. When evil happens it isn't an indicator that God hates you, it's an indicator that the fallen man is separate from the lord and is living from their flesh.

We aren't free from the evil of this world, but we are called to address it.

You are also stuck in the old testament and are completely ignorant to the purpose of Jesus and the importance over your life.

John 20:21, spoken by Jesus to his disciples after his resurrection. It signifies the continuation of his mission, with variations in translations including, “As the Father has sent me, so I send you”

We were never meant to live with the knowledge of evil.
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Jan 27 2026 07:47pm
Then the point of praying is what? Praying for your sick family members heath to improve and it gets worse or they die. Praying for war to end and another one starts instead. Thanks for proving my point for me buddy. You're right god doesnt owe us anything. And thats not the kind of deity I wish to believe in when his storybook is full of how much they love us.


prayer is communication, not just a way to get things you want like a vending machine, God is personal and has a prescriptive purpose for your life. Prayer is to align yourself with God's will, to sort yourself out, not to just get things you want from God. The most common prayer is "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner", said in many different ways but it's always the same concept. Sin isn't a legal on/off switch that God just has to punish you for, sin is a moral sickness we are ill with and God is the healer offering to heal you if you willingly participate. The point of prayer is to align yourself with God, to seek the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and to express that same will on others. To forgive those who trespass you, as you are to be forgiven by your heavenly Father.

Praying for the sick is good, and physical death is not the end. Death, decay, illness, are not God's design, but a consequence of our decision to distance ourself from the provider of Life and in that distance our good nature became tainted. I would not despair that your loved ones have died, though it may be hard now, rejoice for they are with the Lord. Your prayers do heal, your participation with the divine life is how you become good ontologically, how you heal the flawed human nature(by participating in what Christ accomplished to be clear, it is not something you do alone without God. There is no man-made salvation, it is only in willingly participating with Him) In other words, you don't just 'do' good things to please God, you stay close to God so that His goodness actually starts to live inside you and change what you are.

It is only through a good God we can become good ourselves, else if there is no good God there is no real "good", just a preference to not murder, and everything is a meaningless accident that we cannot even know.


what I said above might be complicated or not properly explained, if you have other questions or want to take apart the idea go ahead and i'll respond
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Jan 27 2026 07:55pm
I'm speaking from a position of seeing the importance of a husband/father, wife/mother, and child living their purpose biblically as God has called them to. I feel all of this ties together. I would personally want to see married households putting God first in their everyday lives.

The ten commandments include moral principle that each human should abide by. Disciplined and abiding by the law. If you aren't a believer in God that's fine, we can leave him out of this conversation specifically if you'd like, but this is specifically my belief and why I wouldn't mind moral principle being taught in school. Not just the ten commandments. You are right moral principle can be taught without it present in the school system. I just see no harm in including it myself.


It's harmful because the ten commandments are in bed with Christianity. Not everyone is Christian.

Are you opposed to hanging the Aseret HaDibrot? What about the Five Precepts? Those also teach morality and right from wrong.

Throughout history the most heinous atrocities have been committed in the name of God and religion. The world would be a better place without it.

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Jan 27 2026 08:01pm
It's harmful because the green commandments are in bed with Christianity. Not everyone is Christian.

Are you opposed to hanging the Aseret HaDibrot? What about the Five Precepts? Those also teach morality and right from wrong.

Throughout history the most heinous atrocities have been committed in the name of God and religion. The world would be a better place without it.

Only Christianity is the fullness of the truth, other worldviews may get certain things correct but they are ultimately wrong. If you are interested why in a particular one is wrong I can explain.


Because someone does something in the name of God doesn't it's what God asks for, this is one of the weakest atheist arguments against religions. I think you have the capacity to do better than this.

"better place" implies good/bad, which necessarily requires objective morality. Your statement is incoherent on so many levels.
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Jan 27 2026 08:08pm
Only Christianity is the fullness of the truth, other worldviews may get certain things correct but they are ultimately wrong. If you are interested why in a particular one is wrong I can explain.


Because someone does something in the name of God doesn't it's what God asks for, this is one of the weakest atheist arguments against religions. I think you have the capacity to do better than this.

"better place" implies good/bad, which necessarily requires objective morality. Your statement is incoherent on so many levels.


So what makes Christianity the "right" religion vs the rest?

Because you believe in it?
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Jan 27 2026 08:21pm
So what makes Christianity the "right" religion vs the rest?

Because you believe in it?


The logical argument I would give is because it is the only worldview that can coherently and fully accounts for all universal transcendental categories which are the preconditions for logic itself, solving the problem of the one and the many as well as perfectly explaining the world. There are a limited number of worldviews, and the others are insufficient.

I can give a more detailed argument about the specifics, but what is your worldview?
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