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Jan 27 2026 07:35am
It seems like someone posted this theory online and the world just ran with it as fact. I’m just looking at the same videos everyone else has but I haven’t seen anything (gun recoil, powder signs, etc) that would suggest the victims gun had an accidental discharge. Seems most likely the ICE agents fired all the shots.

The advocacy group that represents border patrol agents are calling for Noem and Bovino to be fired and the administration has sidelined Bovino. The administration seems to finally be getting the hint that they can’t just gaslight the world about this.


Theres almost zero visible recoil or powder in the shots we can clearly see. (its not black powder its not going to be visible anyway). Theres some blur for one frame that could be the pistols slide jumping and it definitely changes orientation in his hand

Its kind of the opposite, there's no clear proof here yet on what the first shot was but the MSM took it as fact it was the border patrol agent and ran with that. NYT and other outlets posted as fact that the agent shot first, but have no more evidence than we do.

But if the admin had evidence they'd release it
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Jan 27 2026 08:03am
Uh, I was okay with the video until the explanation about the gun going off behind them wtf. The guy was clearly disarmed and then shot. What are we missing here? They took his gun from him, you see them walking away with it, then he's shot....

Yeh I was all for ICE with the girl driving into them etc but let's call a spade a spade here. This is not justifiable at all. And the response from Trump's team was downright awful and its why theyre now backpedaling ...


well there it's lots to unravel in this situation, if you hear a gun shot and fear for your life or others and you have a gun you use it. It's all under investigation, also there is lots to unravel with why was this guy there in the first place, its come out that he was in the signal chat with others and politicians organizing the riots and their focus was to disrupt and harm ice agents, so its not a clear cut case of one side is wrong and one side is right. It's easy to state things after the fact when we get to watch the video in slow motion, These officers like all officers have to make split second reactions in real time.

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Jan 27 2026 08:34am
well there it's lots to unravel in this situation, if you hear a gun shot and fear for your life or others and you have a gun you use it. It's all under investigation, also there is lots to unravel with why was this guy there in the first place, its come out that he was in the signal chat with others and politicians organizing the riots and their focus was to disrupt and harm ice agents, so its not a clear cut case of one side is wrong and one side is right. It's easy to state things after the fact when we get to watch the video in slow motion, These officers like all officers have to make split second reactions in real time.


I understand that, but it would still be a mistake and something worth charging that agent on. You can't hear a gun shot and just kill an unarmed man who is on all fours facing the ground and then claim you feared for your life. It doesn't work like that. Especially when it was like 8v1...

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Jan 27 2026 08:51am
I understand that, but it would still be a mistake and something worth charging that agent on. You can't hear a gun shot and just kill an unarmed man who is on all fours facing the ground and then claim you feared for your life. It doesn't work like that. Especially when it was like 8v1...


You can't know until you been in this type of situation, i remember years ago watching a documentary on policing, they brought in 10 people and put them in situations cops are in daily, gave them a weapon with blanks, a real time criminal situation, and every single person they chose disliked the police. Every person in these situations shot their guns every single time, and most of them had a different opinion on situations that take place in the news involving cops, every one of them changed their views on these types of situations, its hard to regulate situations like this when people are screaming all around you especially when there are dozens of people surrounding you screaming and having firearms involved. Like i said its easy to watch videos in slow motion and come to a conclusion but its much different when these people actually are put in these types of situations and see it first hand. When you go out daily and risk your life and have people screaming and gun shots going off its a different story. One mistake by an officer and its game over , their life is gone and their families lose a loved one.

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Jan 27 2026 08:56am
You can't know until you been in this type of situation, i remember years ago watching a documentary on policing, they brought in 10 people and put them in situations cops are in daily, gave them a weapon with blanks, a real time criminal situation, and every single person they chose disliked the police. Every person in these situations shot their guns every single time, and most of them had a different opinion on situations that take place in the news involving cops, every one of them changed their views on these types of situations, its hard to regulate situations like this when people are screaming all around you especially when there are dozens of people surrounding you screaming and having firearms involved. Like i said its easy to watch videos in slow motion and come to a conclusion but its much different when these people actually are put in these types of situations and see it first hand. When you go out daily and risk your life and have people screaming and gun shots going off its a different story. One mistake by an officer and its game over , their life is gone and their families lose a loved one.


The dude was clapping with excitement after they shot an unarmed man. Explain this behavior. These guys are in a position of authority with “complete immunity” and the government hasn’t held them accountable for many of the terrible things people have caught on camera. Why would they care about how they handle any situation if there isn’t any punishment?

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Jan 27 2026 08:58am
https://www.reuters.com/world/bovino-removed-his-role-us-border-patrol-commander-large-atlantic-reports-2026-01-27/

Not sure if already posted.

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Jan 27 2026 09:05am
You can't know until you been in this type of situation, i remember years ago watching a documentary on policing, they brought in 10 people and put them in situations cops are in daily, gave them a weapon with blanks, a real time criminal situation, and every single person they chose disliked the police. Every person in these situations shot their guns every single time, and most of them had a different opinion on situations that take place in the news involving cops, every one of them changed their views on these types of situations, its hard to regulate situations like this when people are screaming all around you especially when there are dozens of people surrounding you screaming and having firearms involved. Like i said its easy to watch videos in slow motion and come to a conclusion but its much different when these people actually are put in these types of situations and see it first hand. When you go out daily and risk your life and have people screaming and gun shots going off its a different story. One mistake by an officer and its game over , their life is gone and their families lose a loved one.


Again, I understand this well. I have a best friend who is a state trooper. I have law enforcement in my family. I know the challenges well.

With all of this said, it does not exempt him from being held accountable. A man who was disarmed, on the ground and posing no threat was shot in the back/head. There is no excuse for that. That agent clearly lacked certain skills and is unqualified to be in that role. Period.
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Jan 27 2026 09:12am


Was posted. Administration doing a big U turn now.. I assume that was an outcome from the Walz Trump talk yesterday.

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Jan 27 2026 09:18am
The dude was clapping with excitement after they shot an unarmed man. Explain this behavior. These guys are in a position of authority with “complete immunity” and the government hasn’t held them accountable for many of the terrible things people have caught on camera. Why would they care about how they handle any situation if there isn’t any punishment?


"complete immunity" ? thats not true, if it were the cop who had his knee on the back of George Floyd wouldnt be in prison right now, and like i said earlier this situation we're discussing is under investigation. It's easy to sit on the side lines watching videos in slow motion and breaking them down, But if its you in these situations most likely your mindset would change. 1 mistake and your life is over and this is the case not just once or twice, its everyday you go to work.

But i do wonder why many of the people placing blame before we have all the facts never focus on the Politicians and rioters who were caught in Signal and other Chat app's organizing and plotting disturbing official officer duties. And does your opinion on this topic change at all if we find out that these Rioters are being paid to show up to locations were ICE Agents are and disturb what they are doing.


We also found out that people on the inside are illegally using Plate App to check all cars license plates in these areas to find out who are Ice agents to harrass them and dox them and their families

It's not as black and white as you make all this out to be

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Jan 27 2026 09:59am
"complete immunity" ? thats not true, if it were the cop who had his knee on the back of George Floyd wouldnt be in prison right now, and like i said earlier this situation we're discussing is under investigation. It's easy to sit on the side lines watching videos in slow motion and breaking them down, But if its you in these situations most likely your mindset would change. 1 mistake and your life is over and this is the case not just once or twice, its everyday you go to work.

But i do wonder why many of the people placing blame before we have all the facts never focus on the Politicians and rioters who were caught in Signal and other Chat app's organizing and plotting disturbing official officer duties. And does your opinion on this topic change at all if we find out that these Rioters are being paid to show up to locations were ICE Agents are and disturb what they are doing.


We also found out that people on the inside are illegally using Plate App to check all cars license plates in these areas to find out who are Ice agents to harrass them and dox them and their families

It's not as black and white as you make all this out to be


To clarify, they were told by their administration they have complete immunity. This was publicly announced by the vice president and deputy White House chief of staff. It impacts their mindset when their leaders tell them they can do whatever they want. It does’t help the situation on the ground and only makes it more dangerous.

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