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Jan 25 2026 12:27pm
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Jan 25 2026 12:31pm
The training is a huge concern across most law enforcement agencies. Average ICE agent has 8 weeks of training. Average US LEO has 21 weeks.

Such a low bar for immunity. But liability cost blah blah.


Education levels are significantly different in America from other Western Countries. The majority of RCMP in Canada for instance hold a good amount of university education or post secondary equivalent then the RCMP training itself which is quite long compared to American cops. And while you may argue university and other post secondary equivalents have no baring on the ability to be an officer, I disagree and the more time spent doing any type of critical thinking in anything typically is advantageous.

Now perhaps its not possible in America under the current systems, price of education, duration vs. amount of cops / officers required immediately (as in a shortfall and need to just get them out the door and on the streets), etc. I don't pretend to know why, but it does seem like training is often a reoccurring issue for America.

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Jan 25 2026 12:33pm
They killed him because over and over they show they prioritize aggression and are grossly incompetent.

America down this path will only continue to become more of a broken polarized cesspool spurred on by those in power that want it that way. Look at the gov't response. Blatant lies to everyone's faces when video exists on this incident rather than anytype of middle ground.

Hatred is blinding, you can strip as many rights as you want as long as you can get people hating one another. Look at the first incident in this thread, both opposing sides of government rather than meeting in the middle and calming things choose the exact opposite of good course. Now this, this ones worse, and its far worse from the Fed side this time.


I agree this is no reason for someone to get shot, but there is also a level of common sense about how to peacefully protest. Logical non-brain washed people know that a peaceful protest would deem that you leave your weapons at home and you don't interfere with cops. Alex would 100% still be alive today if he didn't jump in the road and start messing with ICE.
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Jan 25 2026 12:39pm
I agree this is no reason for someone to get shot, but there is also a level of common sense about how to peacefully protest. Logical non-brain washed people know that a peaceful protest would deem that you leave your weapons at home and you don't interfere with cops. Alex would 100% still be alive today if he didn't jump in the road and start messing with ICE.


I don't disagree, even stated here a few times myself I wouldn't take a firearm to a protest personally, just like I wouldn't attempt to drive away when a person in authority is giving me a command.

But that's the beauty of things isn't it. We can agree that people put themselves in situations at higher risk. But we can also agree or disagree that what ended them was an over exertion of force, or incompetence that could potentially be a pervasive issue among Officers, etc., or form a line of thought that justified such actions. We can agree or disagree civil rights were totally ignored.

On this one though, I am quite firmly on gross incompetence and political polarization getting both people and ICE officers worked up into frenzies where you see totally unnecessary aggression.

Addresses from the government actually feel like online shitposts. They have no class anymore. Its purposeful sewing of hatred in my opinion.

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Jan 25 2026 12:48pm
I agree this is no reason for someone to get shot, but there is also a level of common sense about how to peacefully protest. Logical non-brain washed people know that a peaceful protest would deem that you leave your weapons at home and you don't interfere with cops. Alex would 100% still be alive today if he didn't jump in the road and start messing with ICE.


I agree that you should leave your fire arm at home. But time after time we see that ICE are the ones who instigate, who become physical, who are way too overly aggressive. Including here. Alex would presumably also be alive today had an ICE not started forcefully shoving and pepper spraying the shit out of people simply for taking a damn iPhone video.
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Jan 25 2026 12:49pm
I don't disagree, even stated here a few times myself I wouldn't take a firearm to a protest personally, just like I wouldn't attempt to drive away when a person in authority is giving me a command.

But that's the beauty of things isn't it. We can agree that people put themselves in situations at higher risk. But we can also agree or disagree that what ended them was an over exertion of force, or incompetence that could potentially be a pervasive issue among Officers, etc., or form an line of thought that justified such actions. We can agree or disagree civil rights were totally ignored.

Does not matter to me, both have a voice, on this one though, I am quite firmly on gross incompetence and political polarization getting both people and ICE officers worked up into frenzies where you see totally unnecessary aggression.

Addresses from the government actually feel like online shitposts. They have no class anymore. Its purposeful sewing of hatred in my opinion.


agreed 100%, training could have helped prevent this instance because from the videos it really was not needed to shoot him. More than anything the hatred and lack of empathy from both "sides" is really the root cause. When you start seeing people who think differently as a threat opposed to a valuable human in which you could learn from you start buying into the hate imo. Personally I love when people think differently than I do, it gives me an opportunity to learn something more.

IMO the crazy thing is that the people in America who are on one "side" or the other is actually really small. Most people are moderate and want:
not to live in a police state
people to protest peacefully
laws to be enforced (from illegal immigration all the way up to punishing the elite fucks who have stolen so much the last few decades)
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Jan 25 2026 12:53pm
I agree that you should leave your fire arm at home. But time after time we see that ICE are the ones who instigate, who become physical, who are way too overly aggressive. Including here. Alex would presumably also be alive today had an ICE not started forcefully shoving and pepper spraying the shit out of people simply for taking a damn iPhone video.


yes the videos I've seen indicate ICE was over aggressive but in a lot of ways its a self fulfilling prophecy. I have friends from high school who are openly threatening ICE on social media. We don't solve violence with more violence that's historically proven.

everyone should turn off their TV and MSM and try to find a way to peacefully affect change.

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Jan 25 2026 12:58pm
I agree that you should leave your fire arm at home. But time after time we see that ICE are the ones who instigate, who become physical, who are way too overly aggressive. Including here. Alex would presumably also be alive today had an ICE not started forcefully shoving and pepper spraying the shit out of people simply for taking a damn iPhone video.


The crowd approached the feds, not vice versa. Granted there aren't videos of the preceding 10+ minutes but its obvious that at least two people approached the border patrol agents in their vehicle and harassed them while standing in the road, and Pretti was standing in the road nearby also hovering around the feds while disrupting traffic. The feds had a lawful reason to push them back and clear the road, even if the forceful shoving and pepper spraying was disproportionately over the top. Their mild level of excessive force and Pretti's choice to approach and obstruct feds were just circumstances that led to the confrontation not the cause it became lethal, which appears to be his gun's uncommanded discharge. Until that moment, this encounter would have been a small footnote in the day's events and not even close to the top of the list considering we had a left-wing agitator bite the finger off a federal agent
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Jan 25 2026 01:08pm
people are saying it was a sig p320. at least for a year there have been videos showing how very small impacts make these go off on their own.

/e from 8 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsljmVh-GFQ


just looking at the thumbnail im like, this guy has balls to stand there like that, then they explain the blank. lol.
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Jan 25 2026 01:39pm
Should they implement more training for law enforcement officers? Yes. Should they adjust the ROE for law enforcement? Ya probably, and they most likely will after these latest incidents. It's a shame that dude got mag-dumped but hey, don't interfere with federal operations and you won't get shot. Is your life worth virtue-signaling for the illegal who is detained that TRULY doesn't give a fk about you? No.
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