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Jan 22 2026 05:08pm
It's not projection, it's reading. Iranian security forces killed protestors and then said "we actually looked at the bullets and it was the jews that killed all the people that were protesting us." and you believed that. It's a terrifying lack of skepticism. Like ^Ferdia above believing that an earthquake is proof that Israel tested a nuclear weapon in order to intimidate the USA into helping overthrow an Iranian dictator. Lol... If you took literally one second to think "although this supports my worldview, it may be incorrect", in both of these cases you would have realized how ridiculous these theories are. It's so silly that I bet both of you don't even believe those things now that it's been pointed out that they are not just unlikely, they are cartoonishly absurd.

But go on, everything that attacks Israel, no matter how mind-bogglingly far-fetched, must necessarily be true.


what did i say that was not true? specifically. ill go point by point with multiple sources. just let me know where i was wrong
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Jan 22 2026 06:25pm
what did i say that was not true? specifically. ill go point by point with multiple sources. just let me know where i was wrong


Do you believe what the words in that picture you posted implied? Or do you disagree with my interpretation of the implication?
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Jan 22 2026 06:28pm
It's not projection, it's reading. Iranian security forces killed protestors and then said "we actually looked at the bullets and it was the jews that killed all the people that were protesting us." and you believed that. It's a terrifying lack of skepticism. Like ^Ferdia above believing that an earthquake is proof that Israel tested a nuclear weapon in order to intimidate the USA into helping overthrow an Iranian dictator. Lol... If you took literally one second to think "although this supports my worldview, it may be incorrect", in both of these cases you would have realized how ridiculous these theories are. It's so silly that I bet both of you don't even believe those things now that it's been pointed out that they are not just unlikely, they are cartoonishly absurd.

But go on, everything that attacks Israel, no matter how mind-bogglingly far-fetched, must necessarily be true.


Do you want to review what I said and rephrase your comment?
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Jan 22 2026 08:53pm
Do you believe what the words in that picture you posted implied? Or do you disagree with my interpretation of the implication?


do i believe them at face value? no. is it in the realm of possibility? of fucking course it is. we know for a fact that mossad agents were INSIDE Iran and the entire Israeli regime was actively promoting protests

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-881733

https://www.propublica.org/article/israel-iran-war-mossad-iranian-recruits

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-deployed-over-100-foreign-agents-in-iran-war-its-largest-ever-mission-report/

mossad has a deep and lengthy history of infiltrating iran's government and science programs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_infiltration_of_an_Iranian_nuclear_archive

I hardly take anything these days at face value , i do my best to check myriad sources from different outlets and political leanings to form my own conclusions.
nothing about my own opinions on this topic are "supportive of my world view" (whatever the fuck that means)

do you care to dispute anything here?

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Do you believe what the words in that picture you posted implied? Or do you disagree with my interpretation of the implication?


this is from June, when Iran was bombed by the US on behalf of Israel

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June 22, 2025.
Israel’s Mossad spy agency deployed some 100 foreign agents in Iran ahead of the start of June’s 12-day war with the country, with the spies tasked with destroying many of Iran’s missile launchers and air defense systems at the start of the war, according to a report.

In a report that aired last week, Channel 13 said the specially trained agents placed and operated heavy missile systems that had been smuggled into Iran, and were then used to target the Islamic Republic’s ballistic missile launchers and anti-aircraft missile systems in order to assist the Israeli military in its campaign.

The operation was described as unprecedented both in scale — never before had so many agents been activated in a single mission — and in complexity, as it required giving non-Israelis control over sophisticated weapons systems.

The report included interviews with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Defense Minister Israel Katz, Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar, and National Security Adviser Tzachi Hanegbi, who discussed details of the extraordinary June 13 overnight strikes in Iran that started the war, the hope that the United States would step in to help destroy the underground Fordo nuclear facility, attempts to find an opportunity to assassinate Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and destabilize Tehran’s regime, and efforts to cause residents of Tehran to flee the capital.

Netanyahu recalled informing US President Donald Trump about the planned operation against Iran, saying: “I told him, ‘We have to do it.’ And he said, ‘You’re right, it’s gotta be done.”
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this is from June, when Iran was bombed by the US on behalf of Israel


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Jan 23 2026 02:42am
Do you want to review what I said and rephrase your comment?


Sure. Saying "On January 15, a 4.2 magnitude earthquake occurred near an Israeli nuclear facility, which some analysts interpreted as a statement of intent to the U.S., signaling that Israel expected continued support and action in the conflict with Iran." is exactly as valuable a statement as "Some analysts believe covid-19 is caused by 5G towers", it's utter nonsense. There are two possible reasons to post something that dumb, either you believed it at the time or it was a a conscious attempt to mislead. There are no good options.

Actually, third option, you thought it was funny to post something that crazy. That's a good option, I would like if that one were true.


do i believe them at face value? no. is it in the realm of possibility? of fucking course it is. we know for a fact that mossad agents were INSIDE Iran and the entire Israeli regime was actively promoting protests

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-881733

https://www.propublica.org/article/israel-iran-war-mossad-iranian-recruits

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-deployed-over-100-foreign-agents-in-iran-war-its-largest-ever-mission-report/

mossad has a deep and lengthy history of infiltrating iran's government and science programs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_infiltration_of_an_Iranian_nuclear_archive

I hardly take anything these days at face value , i do my best to check myriad sources from different outlets and political leanings to form my own conclusions.
nothing about my own opinions on this topic are "supportive of my world view" (whatever the fuck that means)

do you care to dispute anything here?


Yes, I'd like to dispute that it's in the realm of possibility lol. You seriously think Mossad agents are going to shoot Iranian protesters with bullets that can be traced back to Israel? This isn't the 50s.

To be clear, I'm not saying that there were no Mossad agents in Iran, that Israel does not have a vested interest in encouraging protesters to overthrow their government, or that they are unwilling or incapable of doing so. NATO obviously did it in Ukraine and there are countless examples of America and other Western countries doing just that, notably in Iran itself. That is not only within the realm of possibility, it was most certainly happening to some extent. What I'm saying is that it is very dumb to give any credence to the actual implication you posted, that Iranian security forces reported that Israelis shot the protestors, and not only that, they were too stupid to use bullets that couldn't be traced back to them. It's ridiculous.

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Sure. Saying "On January 15, a 4.2 magnitude earthquake occurred near an Israeli nuclear facility, which some analysts interpreted as a statement of intent to the U.S., signaling that Israel expected continued support and action in the conflict with Iran." is exactly as valuable a statement as "Some analysts believe covid-19 is caused by 5G towers", it's utter nonsense. There are two possible reasons to post something that dumb, either you believed it at the time or it was a a conscious attempt to mislead. There are no good options.

Actually, third option, you thought it was funny to post something that crazy. That's a good option, I would like if that one were true.


My framing leaves the door open for people to make up their own mind. Your framing is fixed. This is known as bad-faith debating. Should I assume you prefer bad faith debating and start Kathy Newmaning you ? If you open the door, you have to accept that shit will flow both ways. up to you.
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Jan 23 2026 02:52am
My framing leaves the door open for people to make up their own mind. Your framing is fixed. This is known as bad-faith debating. Should I assume you prefer bad faith debating and start Kathy Newmaning you ? If you open the door, you have to accept that shit will flow both ways. up to you.


It implied plausibility, when in fact there is no plausibility.

The claim is "Israel dug a tunnel, MUCH deeper than any tunnel that has ever been dug, and detonated a nuclear bomb in it, under the facility where they make bombs... in order to intimidate the United States into redoubling their support." lol seriously. If pointing out that it's a totally insane claim is bad faith debating I guess I'm alright with that. If you ever see me post something that crazy I would hope you'd point it out.
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Jan 23 2026 02:59am
It implied plausibility, when in fact there is no plausibility.

The claim is "Israel dug a tunnel, MUCH deeper than any tunnel that has ever been dug, and detonated a nuclear bomb in it, under the facility where they make bombs... in order to intimidate the United States into redoubling their support." lol seriously. If pointing out that it's a totally insane claim is bad faith debating I guess I'm alright with that. If you ever see me post something that crazy I would hope you'd point it out.


you have said multiple crazy things in the last 2-3 weeks...
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