No, you are not getting closer.

If I asked you do you believe that Muhammad existed, and you simply said 'yes I believe that he existed', does it give me the right to then say 'Aha, so you're a muslim!'? And then I proceed to write whole walls of text of what I believe is wrong with Islam, while still accusing you of being a muslim. How would you feel then?

My initial statement about Jesus was simply that I believe that he existed, and that's it. But I am not going to go through every single Bible verse and say what I think about each one, which one I agree with, and which one I disagree with.

My worldview isn't rooted in Christianity, Islam or Buddhism. It's has to do with my own personal path that I have been following. But I won't be explaining it to a great detail.

This post was edited by kin198989 on Jan 19 2026 05:01am

Well the entire bible is gods/jesus word so if you believe in jesus but not his word you are essentially saying jesus is a liar. And if you don't believe in word of god then you dont really believe in him.
Since his identity is tied to his word.

Jesus is the Word made flesh
John 1:1, 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, can we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Thats how it works you can't cherry pick the bible its either all true or none of it is. You are just window shopping based on what you like to hear.

I was very careful with the wording I used, I explicitly said 'I believe that Jesus existed' instead of 'I believe in Jesus'. I repeated it many times. Yet you still write this:


I patiently explained my position numerous times. I explained that there is some overlap but that I don't fully subscribe to Christian doctrine. There isn't anything unusual with that, as actually many people think that way.



This line refers to God's word (which could also be interpreted as 'thought') becoming reality. Like, when He said 'Let there be light, and there was light'. It describes how God's word/dreams/thoughts turn into reality. That's what it refers to.


Yes, I can believe that Jesus existed (newsflash, most of historians also do, and many of them aren't Christian). Yes, I can agree with lines like:

"Do to others as you would have them do to you."
"Love your neighbor."
etc.

That doesn't mean I have to agree with every verse from the Bible (well if you are a Christian, then it's a different story, but I already explained I don't see myself in that regard).

Imagine a person who has never even heard of Christianity, yet still he believes that one should love his neighbors and treat others as you would want them to treat you, and his core belief sometimes overlap with Christianity.
Now do you think you could actually go to him and say 'You can only believe that IF you also believe everything else in the Bible (that you have never even heard of), otherwise you cannot believe that'
?
Do you realize how ridiculous that would be? That is what you are doing to me.

Without meaning to be disrespectful, you'll have to excuse me, but I have to drop out of this conversation. I can't spend even more time explaining the difference between 'believing in Jesus' and 'believing that Jesus existed'. Tbh, I don't have that much free time anyway, and this takes more time than I thought it would.

This post was edited by kin198989 on Jan 19 2026 07:03am

plenty of freaking out about God and Christianity
but for stuff like this its all quiet quiet quiet. makes a person wonder even a lil bit?
MN Gov Tim Walz Now Going Viral For Receiving Special Plaque From SATAN Worshippers

As much as we all appreciate your valuable input bud - this is spam for the big boy conversation we're trying to have here.
I recommend you put that into 1 of your threads where you are free to REEEE

looks like your avatar. things make more sense



This post was edited by TiStuff on Jan 19 2026 09:05am

Do you really not know the difference between a proof and a declaration? You seem like English is your first language.

Reading and understanding is very difficult for you, clearly.

You didn't understand the meme at all. Its not about the books themselves attempting to provide proof to their audience it's the people who read those books attempting to provide proof to other people using the books as evidence.
You are just trying to argue about something that isn't even being said.



This changes nothing what I said about you. You only pick and choose what you like to hear. You seem to be a lot more concerned about not being mislabeled than examining validity of this jesus guy and his bold claims. Like ive said I am not interested in how popular he is or whether parts of the bible can be used as helpful teachings to live by. Any fictional character can be used as a role model but this is not what this conversation is about. I think you missed point of this thread entirely.

It's criticism based on a misapprehension. You just tried to defend that misapprehension and now you've completely pivoted away from it when it became obvious you were wrong. Par fer the course, using the same tactics you're pretending to criticize.