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Jan 15 2026 02:56am
I find it almost amusing that your argument in support of Israel now is basically boiled down to "look they are also mudering people over there, and you say nothing therefor we are allowed to murder people too"


This is not an argument in support of Israel, thats an argument to your hypocrisy
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Jan 15 2026 03:07am
This is not an argument in support of Israel, thats an argument to your hypocrisy


Yes and if we are hypocrits you do not need to take any of our arguments into consideration because you have the upper hand morally. That's lazy and intellectually dishonest.
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Jan 15 2026 03:20am
Yes and if we are hypocrits you do not need to take any of our arguments into consideration because you have the upper hand morally. That's lazy and intellectually dishonest.


Calling selective outrage “hypocrisy” isn’t lazy it’s accurate. You post every Gaza bomb but ignore 2,500+ Iranian protesters slaughtered by IRGC. That doesn’t mean I dismiss facts; it means your moral universalism is selective.

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Jan 15 2026 03:27am
Calling selective outrage “hypocrisy” isn’t lazy it’s accurate. You post every Gaza bomb but ignore 2,500+ Iranian protesters slaughtered by IRGC. That doesn’t mean I dismiss facts; it means your moral universalism is selective.

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Except ofc for the fact that this debate thread is about Israel and not Iran. If you want to start one about Iran and the protests there, we can start a discussion about that.
That being said i can definitely see the point in the media that israel is trying to make - talk about something else other than the 70,000 +++ we murdered. If i were committing a genocide i think i would welcome any opportunity for the world to talk about something else.
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Jan 15 2026 03:44am
Except ofc for the fact that this debate thread is about Israel and not Iran. If you want to start one about Iran and the protests there, we can start a discussion about that.
That being said i can definitely see the point in the media that israel is trying to make - talk about something else other than the 70,000 +++ we murdered. If i were committing a genocide i think i would welcome any opportunity for the world to talk about something else.


That’s exactly it: no Jews, no news. You post about Israel the very same day didn’t wait for “70,000” or distinguish combatants vs civilians like you demand from us. Yet 2,500+ Iranian protesters slaughtered by their regime? Crickets, no thread.
This is the Israel thread, so your silence on Iran amid daily Gaza posts proves selective outrage. Own it or post about those protesters consistently.

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Jan 15 2026 03:58am
That’s exactly it: no Jews, no news. You post about Israel the very same day didn’t wait for “70,000” or distinguish combatants vs civilians like you demand from us. Yet 2,500+ Iranian protesters slaughtered by their regime? Crickets, no thread.
This is the Israel thread, so your silence on Iran amid daily Gaza posts proves selective outrage. Own it or post about those protesters consistently.


but then, why have you not made a topic about Iran? Why don't YOU make a topic about Iran and we will...support you. It is all well and good to make accusations, but why won't you lead by example? Do I really have to make an Iran thread for you ?
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Jan 15 2026 04:06am
That’s exactly it: no Jews, no news. You post about Israel the very same day didn’t wait for “70,000” or distinguish combatants vs civilians like you demand from us. Yet 2,500+ Iranian protesters slaughtered by their regime? Crickets, no thread.
This is the Israel thread, so your silence on Iran amid daily Gaza posts proves selective outrage. Own it or post about those protesters consistently.


My silence on issues is none of your concern so sorry but this is just straight up nonsense.

I'll tell you why Israels behavior or lack of same interests me personally more than other atrocities. It's not because of religion I don't think for +95% of the west they care about that.
It's about a supposed "ally" that instead of diplomatically solving a conflict they had a hand in starting they indistriminately slaugther thousands of women and kids and despite a seize fire they do nothing to prevent further slaugther and continues daily bombings and the fact that my government is helping or in some part enables this slaughter is making me sick to the core of my stomach. That coupled with the fact that your sitting prime minister has propped up and openly supported hamas as a ploy to prevent the people israel is suppressing and brutalizing as a sick game to prevent them from having a voice and future of their own.

That you want people to focus on other crimes and evils as a way to distract people from the truth is just weird, and it's certainly not antisemetic if they don't, as i feel like is your base argument. You want people to focus more on Iran. How about telling your fucked up government to stop murdering more people and to give peace an actual chance?

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Jan 15 2026 04:32am
Here is my response for you, your welcome.

I posted the Claim (#15839) and the Discovery (#15840); now, here is the Rebuttal:

Your position is explicit. “A child holding a gun is a legit target,” “We are completely destroying Iran,” and “This has nothing to do with morality” are not misquotes or frame-shifts; they are your own words, and they speak for themselves. The claim that you are empathetic to the plight of Iranian civilians does not align with the position you have repeatedly stated.

You have repeatedly cast Iran as the singular aggressor — “neither Greenland nor Canada.” Yet Greenland and Canada themselves have been openly threatened by the United States. You continue by labeling Iran “an aggressive regional power…” before asserting, “Fact is Israel is no threat for its neighbors; Iran is.” This framing functions as a moral sorting mechanism: once Iran is designated the “bad actor,” escalation is treated as justified. Iran is a bad actor, but this does not make Israel a neutral or morally blameless actor. The claim that Israel poses no threat collapses under its own weight when, in the past two years, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Qatar, and Iran itself have all been bombed by Israel. You reduce this persistent use of force to a technical objective — “The plan is simple: destroy their nuclear capabilities and their entire ballistic missile arsenal” — stripping the violence of moral weight. This is not an absence of moralization; it is selective moralization, where declared intent is used to nullify outcome, and context is excluded to make escalation appear inevitable. In effect, you accuse others of the very behavior your argument exemplifies.

Statements such as “Israel doesn’t use rockets; we use aircraft to drop bombs because it’s more precise” function as ethical claims rather than evidence-based arguments. Israel has dropped 2,000‑lb bombs on its own people (there is no Palestine), flattening areas the size of football pitches. You further state, “If you choose to leave your children fatherless because someone else handed their child a gun, that’s your choice.” You have repeated similar claims regarding Gaza, asserting that because civilians elected Hamas, there are no innocents — by your own words, they are all “Hama-Palestinians” and deserve what they get.

The claim that we force you into a defensive posture is inverted by your own words. You escalate rhetorically with statements such as, “We are completely destroying Iran.” That tone sets the terms of engagement. Our responses do not provoke escalation; they merely document and expose it.

Accusations of racism, frame-shifting, moral bad faith, or selective outrage collapse under the weight of your own words. Your position on collective punishment is well documented. Your statements normalize civilian harm, dismiss moral restraint, and justify escalation through selective framing. We do not manufacture hypocrisy — we quote it.

Finally, not to be outdone, i am watching this with interest right now -



As I am watching this, in order to promote the suffering in Iran, I invite you now to make an Iran thread, and I will attach this video to it.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 15 2026 04:38am
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Jan 15 2026 04:58am
Here is my response for you, your welcome.

I posted the Claim (#15839) and the Discovery (#15840); now, here is the Rebuttal:

Your position is explicit. “A child holding a gun is a legit target,” “We are completely destroying Iran,” and “This has nothing to do with morality” are not misquotes or frame-shifts; they are your own words, and they speak for themselves. The claim that you are empathetic to the plight of Iranian civilians does not align with the position you have repeatedly stated.

You have repeatedly cast Iran as the singular aggressor — “neither Greenland nor Canada.” Yet Greenland and Canada themselves have been openly threatened by the United States. You continue by labeling Iran “an aggressive regional power…” before asserting, “Fact is Israel is no threat for its neighbors; Iran is.” This framing functions as a moral sorting mechanism: once Iran is designated the “bad actor,” escalation is treated as justified. Iran is a bad actor, but this does not make Israel a neutral or morally blameless actor. The claim that Israel poses no threat collapses under its own weight when, in the past two years, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Qatar, and Iran itself have all been bombed by Israel. You reduce this persistent use of force to a technical objective — “The plan is simple: destroy their nuclear capabilities and their entire ballistic missile arsenal” — stripping the violence of moral weight. This is not an absence of moralization; it is selective moralization, where declared intent is used to nullify outcome, and context is excluded to make escalation appear inevitable. In effect, you accuse others of the very behavior your argument exemplifies.

Statements such as “Israel doesn’t use rockets; we use aircraft to drop bombs because it’s more precise” function as ethical claims rather than evidence-based arguments. Israel has dropped 2,000‑lb bombs on its own people (there is no Palestine), flattening areas the size of football pitches. You further state, “If you choose to leave your children fatherless because someone else handed their child a gun, that’s your choice.” You have repeated similar claims regarding Gaza, asserting that because civilians elected Hamas, there are no innocents — by your own words, they are all “Hama-Palestinians” and deserve what they get.

The claim that we force you into a defensive posture is inverted by your own words. You escalate rhetorically with statements such as, “We are completely destroying Iran.” That tone sets the terms of engagement. Our responses do not provoke escalation; they merely document and expose it.

Accusations of racism, frame-shifting, moral bad faith, or selective outrage collapse under the weight of your own words. Your position on collective punishment is well documented. Your statements normalize civilian harm, dismiss moral restraint, and justify escalation through selective framing. We do not manufacture hypocrisy — we quote it.

Finally, not to be outdone, i am watching this with interest right now -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKavzNRa-uU

As I am watching this, in order to promote the suffering in Iran, I invite you now to make an Iran thread, and I will attach this video to it.


You’re not “quoting hypocrisy,” you’re stripping every sentence of context to turn me into a cartoon villain. When I say “Iran is aggressive” or “this has nothing to do with morality,” I am talking about the strategic reality of a regime that arms Hezbollah, Hamas and other proxies, fires at civilians, and pursues nuclear capabilities, not celebrating civilian suffering. Saying that responding to an existential nuclear threat is a matter of national survival is not the same as saying “morality doesn’t matter at all.”
The same with “a child holding a gun is a legit target” or “we are completely destroying Iran”: those are descriptions of battlefield dilemmas and degrading hostile capabilities, not a denial that civilians exist or that their lives matter. You cut away everything I’ve said about distinguishing between combatants and non‑combatants, about Iranian protesters, and about racism being a sickness, and then pretend that your collage is my whole view. That isn’t honest engagement, it’s prosecution by selective quote.
And you still haven’t answered the original, very simple point: you post obsessively about every Israeli strike, but not about thousands of Iranian civilians shot in the streets by their own regime. You claim universal concern, but your outrage only activates when Jews or Israel can be blamed. That is what “no Jews, no news” means in this context. If your problem were really with “normalizing civilian harm,” Iran’s protesters would get the same attention you give Gaza.
Hypocrite!

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You’re not “quoting hypocrisy,” you’re stripping every sentence of context to turn me into a cartoon villain. When I say “Iran is aggressive” or “this has nothing to do with morality,” I am talking about the strategic reality of a regime that arms Hezbollah, Hamas and other proxies, fires at civilians, and pursues nuclear capabilities, not celebrating civilian suffering. Saying that responding to an existential nuclear threat is a matter of national survival is not the same as saying “morality doesn’t matter at all.”
The same with “a child holding a gun is a legit target” or “we are completely destroying Iran”: those are descriptions of battlefield dilemmas and degrading hostile capabilities, not a denial that civilians exist or that their lives matter. You cut away everything I’ve said about distinguishing between combatants and non‑combatants, about Iranian protesters, and about racism being a sickness, and then pretend that your collage is my whole view. That isn’t honest engagement, it’s prosecution by selective quote.
And you still haven’t answered the original, very simple point: you post obsessively about every Israeli strike, but not about thousands of Iranian civilians shot in the streets by their own regime. You claim universal concern, but your outrage only activates when Jews or Israel can be blamed. That is what “no Jews, no news” means in this context. If your problem were really with “normalizing civilian harm,” Iran’s protesters would get the same attention you give Gaza.
Hypocrite!


should i hold my breath for that Iran thread?
do you want me to send you some fg so you can bold and red the title ?

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 15 2026 05:08am
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