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Really ? it is like Cave men explaining how the heavens and earth came to be ... you might as well argue or explain about flat earth lol...Lets talk about the easter bunny? or santa clause ... insane how actual grown people will; read that and say "yeah that is what happen" :drool:


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I did. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 the whole thing.

Here for extra lazy tistuff who is pretending like he doesn't know how to look up a bible. There are you happy? Now read both line by line they dont match in order or what they say. Either its sleepy jesus or regular man made storybook. Pick one.

Genesis 1
The Beginning
1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2
Now the earth was [1] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3
And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
4
God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
5
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6
And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water."
7
So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so.
8
God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9
And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so.
10
God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
11
Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.
12
The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
13
And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14
And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
15
and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so.
16
God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
17
God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth,
18
to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19
And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
20
And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky."
21
So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22
God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth."
23
And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
24
And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so.
25
God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [2] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
28
God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
29
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
30
And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
31
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Genesis 2
1

Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [3] from all his work.
3
And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Adam and Eve
4
This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens—
5
and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [4] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [5] and there was no man to work the ground,
6
but streams [6] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground—
7
the LORD God formed the man [7] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
8
Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
9
And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
10
A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.
11
The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold.
12
(The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin [8] and onyx are also there.)
13
The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. [9]
14
The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
15
The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
16
And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
18
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
19
Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
20
So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam [10] no suitable helper was found.
21
So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs [11] and closed up the place with flesh.
22
Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [12] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23
The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called `woman, [13]' for she was taken out of man."
24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
25
The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.




Genesis 1: Order of Events
1) heavens and earth created
2) light shines on earth
3) light divided from darkness
4) firmament divided
5) land separated from water
6) plant life appears
7) sun, moon, and stars appear
8) animal life created
9) man (male and female) created

Genesis 2: Order of Events
1) heavens and earth created
2) plant life appears
3) man (male only) created
4) animal life created
5) woman made from man’s side

2 different accounts with 2 different order of events.


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Here for extra lazy tistuff who is pretending like he doesn't know how to look up a bible.

thanks

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Genesis 2
1
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

covers the creation narrative "completed"

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5
and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [4] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [5] and there was no man to work the ground,
6
but streams [6] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground—
7
the LORD God formed the man [7] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
8
Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
9
And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.


about the garden of eden
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no man to work the ground,

the only place man was to be placed and tend the garden would be the garden of eden
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Jan 12 2026 01:39am

covers the creation narrative "completed"


Yet proceeds to give a different order of events that happened from Gen 2:5 onwards
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Yet proceeds to give a different order of events that happened from Gen 2:5 onwards


it continues the story

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5
and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [4] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [5] and there was no man to work the ground,
6
but streams [6] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground—
7
the LORD God formed the man [7] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
8
Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
9
And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
10
A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.
11
The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold.
12
(The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin [8] and onyx are also there.)
13
The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. [9]
14
The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
15
The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
16
And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."


the garden of eden

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18
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
19
Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
20
So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam [10] no suitable helper was found.
21
So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs [11] and closed up the place with flesh.
22
Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [12] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23
The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called `woman, [13]' for she was taken out of man."
24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
25
The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.


eve


This post was edited by TiStuff on Jan 12 2026 04:12am
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it continues the story



the garden of eden



eve


Yes but it repeats the order in a different sequence. I even spelled out the exact differences. Reread post #67 if unsure
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Genesis 1, plants are created before animals, and humans are created last, simultaneously as male and female, after the animals.
In contrast
Genesis 2 describes the creation of a man before plants and animals, with animals formed after the man and Eve created from Adam’s rib.
The first account portrays God as a distant, transcendent being who creates through spoken command, while the second depicts a more personal, hands-on God who walks in the garden and interacts directly with humanity.

Which is it? Sleepy Jesus or man made story?

Pick one


This is only a contradiction if Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are read as two competing, chronological creation timelines meant to be lined up step-by-step. The text itself does not present them that way. They are doing different literary jobs, and once that’s recognized, you'll realize it's not a contradiction. Again this is a YOU problem with not understanding the text and misinterpreting it.

Genesis 1 is a cosmic overview; Genesis 2 is a zoomed-in account.

Structured, repetitive, liturgical. It covers everything: light, sky, land, plants, animals, humans.

Answers the question: What did God create, and in what broad order?

Genesis 2 is narrative, relational, earthy and focuses only on humans, especially Adam and Eve.

Answers the question: How did humans come to be, and what is their role?

Genesis 2 never claims to be a second full creation sequence.

The “plants” in Genesis 2 are not all plants.

Genesis 2:5 says:

“No shrub of the field had yet appeared… and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain… and there was no man to cultivate the ground.”

These are agricultural plants, not vegetation in general.

In Hebrew:

Plants of the field = crops that require human cultivation

So Genesis 2 is saying:

Wild vegetation already exists (Genesis 1). Farming plants do not yet exist because humans do not yet exist.

Genesis 1:

“Male and female he created them” — summary statement.

Genesis 2:

Explains how that happened

Not two creations, but one creation described in stages.

This is like saying:

“The house was built.”

Then later: “First the foundation was laid, then the rooms were added.”

Explanation is not contradiction.



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This is only a contradiction if Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are read as two competing, chronological creation timelines meant to be lined up step-by-step. The text itself does not present them that way. They are doing different literary jobs, and once that’s recognized, you'll realize it's not a contradiction. Again this is a YOU problem with not understanding the text and misinterpreting it.

Genesis 1 is a cosmic overview; Genesis 2 is a zoomed-in account.

Structured, repetitive, liturgical. It covers everything: light, sky, land, plants, animals, humans.

Answers the question: What did God create, and in what broad order?

Genesis 2 is narrative, relational, earthy and focuses only on humans, especially Adam and Eve.

Answers the question: How did humans come to be, and what is their role?

Genesis 2 never claims to be a second full creation sequence.

The “plants” in Genesis 2 are not all plants.

Genesis 2:5 says:

“No shrub of the field had yet appeared… and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain… and there was no man to cultivate the ground.”

These are agricultural plants, not vegetation in general.

In Hebrew:

Plants of the field = crops that require human cultivation

So Genesis 2 is saying:

Wild vegetation already exists (Genesis 1). Farming plants do not yet exist because humans do not yet exist.

Genesis 1:

“Male and female he created them” — summary statement.

Genesis 2:

Explains how that happened

Not two creations, but one creation described in stages.

This is like saying:

“The house was built.”

Then later: “First the foundation was laid, then the rooms were added.”

Explanation is not contradiction.


All plants have already been created and grown in Genesis 1 but Genesis 2 claims that no plants has yet grown on earth even if you interpret them to be agricultural crops.

Secondly you haven't addressed the animals

Order of creation of animals Genesis 1: Animals (birds on day 5, land animals on day 6) created before humans (Gen 1:20–25, then 1:26–27).
Genesis 2: Man formed first (Gen 2:7), then God forms animals and birds and brings them to the man to name (Gen 2:19), apparently after the man exists and because he is alone (Gen 2:18).

Thirdly

Creation of male and female Genesis 1: Male and female created together/simultaneously on day 6 (Gen 1:27: "male and female he created them").
Genesis 2: Man created first (Gen 2:7), animals don't solve his loneliness, then woman created later from his rib (Gen 2:21–22).

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All plants have already been created and grown in Genesis 1 but Genesis 2 claims that no plants has yet grown on earth even if you interpret them to be agricultural crops.

Secondly you haven't addressed the animals

Order of creation of animals Genesis 1: Animals (birds on day 5, land animals on day 6) created before humans (Gen 1:20–25, then 1:26–27).
Genesis 2: Man formed first (Gen 2:7), then God forms animals and birds and brings them to the man to name (Gen 2:19), apparently after the man exists and because he is alone (Gen 2:18).

Thirdly

Creation of male and female Genesis 1: Male and female created together/simultaneously on day 6 (Gen 1:27: "male and female he created them").
Genesis 2: Man created first (Gen 2:7), animals don't solve his loneliness, then woman created later from his rib (Gen 2:21–22).


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All plants have already been created and grown in Genesis 1 but Genesis 2 claims that no plants has yet grown on earth even if you interpret them to be agricultural crops.


its not talking about the creation narrative its talking about the garden of eden.

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Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.


completed it says completed. if no plants then it wasnt completed but it does say completed so it includes plants so creation narrative 2 supports creation narrative 1

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All plants have already been created and grown in Genesis 1 but Genesis 2 claims that no plants has yet grown on earth even if you interpret them to be agricultural crops.

Secondly you haven't addressed the animals

Order of creation of animals Genesis 1: Animals (birds on day 5, land animals on day 6) created before humans (Gen 1:20–25, then 1:26–27).
Genesis 2: Man formed first (Gen 2:7), then God forms animals and birds and brings them to the man to name (Gen 2:19), apparently after the man exists and because he is alone (Gen 2:18).

Thirdly

Creation of male and female Genesis 1: Male and female created together/simultaneously on day 6 (Gen 1:27: "male and female he created them").
Genesis 2: Man created first (Gen 2:7), animals don't solve his loneliness, then woman created later from his rib (Gen 2:21–22).


Again, you are not reading scripture as intended.

These are complementary perspectives, not competing accounts.

The text says:

“No shrub of the field had yet appeared… for the LORD God had not sent rain… and there was no man to work the ground.”

Genesis 1 → wild vegetation created

Genesis 2 → agriculture not yet begun

No contradiction, just different categories.

As far as the animals, This is a pluperfect (past perfect) sense. The animals were already created. God is now bringing them to Adam to be named.

So Genesis 2:19 does not say animals were created after man—only that they were presented after man.

“Man and woman created together” vs. “woman created later”

Genesis 1:27: Humanity is described collectively—“male and female he created them.”

Genesis 2:21–22: The narrative explains how woman was created.

Again, not a contradiction.
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