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It is obviously a made up story from collections of writings with many unknown unverified authors. Translated and curated by several councils of men who decided what is to be included or excluded. Mainly so it's more palatable for an average pleb in order to control them.

If you step back and look at it as a whole it is nothing more then a bedtime story for adults to behave in a certain manner. It is one of many (thousands) of religions. Just about everyone on the planet had mythological story of some kind that they shared around the campfire. Everyone thinks theirs is the best and the one true religion, just like hardcore sports fans cheer for their home team.
As an outsider who isn't affiliated with any of these archaic dogmas it is obvious that none of them are the best or real. Observing here people in pard you will notice there is a distinct tribal conflict between left vs right.

The purpose of this thread is to explore the contradictions, make light of the magical story and to hopefully bring awareness to the religious fans who seem to be under the spell that their invisible dad is real.

Lets begin!


welcome back addone :)
i will bbl when i have time to review waht you got
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Lets start with a few basic contradictions. I know some of you have been itching for me to come back and prove me wrong well here is your chance. Lets keep it civil and try to answer each other truthfully without devolving into kindergarten.


#1 - The Earth Does Not Last Forever
In Ecclesiastes 1:4, we read that “the earth remains forever,” a sentiment echoed in Psalm 104:5, which praises God for laying the foundations of the earth so firmly that “it should never be moved.”

However, this view contrasts sharply with certain passages in the New Testament that foresee the destruction of the current earth and the creation of a new one. For example, 2 Peter 3:13 describes the hope for “new heavens and a new earth, where righteousness dwells,” and Revelation 21:1 envisions “a new heaven and a new earth” after the first has passed away.


#2 - The Number of Animals Noah Took on the Ark
Another example that reminds us of the discrepancies in the Bible can be found in the story of Noah and the Ark. In Genesis 6:19-20, God commands Noah to take two of every kind of animal — one male and one female — onto the Ark to preserve their species. However, in Genesis 7:2-3, the instructions are more specific, stating that Noah should take seven pairs of clean animals (suitable for sacrifice) and one pair of unclean animals.

So, which is it? This discrepancy reflects differing traditions within the text, likely stemming from the merging of multiple sources behind the composition of Genesis. As Robert Alter explains in his Commentary:

As scholarship has often noted, two versions of the Flood story, the Priestly and the Yahwistic, are intertwined in a somewhat confusing fashion... Abraham ibn Ezra and other medieval exegetes rescue consistency by proposing that when God directed attention to the clean-unclean distinction, He had to add the difference in numbers because more animals needed to be sacrificed. (Noah, like his counterpart in the Mesopotamian Flood stories, does in fact offer a thanksgiving sacrifice after the waters recede.) But the tensions between the two versions, including how they record the time span of the Flood, persist, and there are some indications that the editor himself struggled to harmonize them.


#3 - Two Creation Stories
In exploring other biblical contradictions, we are (for now) staying with the Book of Genesis, which begins with two distinct accounts of creation. In Genesis 1:1-2:3, it unfolds in a structured, ordered sequence over six days, culminating in the creation of humanity (male and female) together on the sixth day.

In Genesis 2:4-25, however, the narrative is more focused on human formation. Here, man (Adam) is created first from the dust of the ground, followed by vegetation, animals, and finally, a woman (Eve) as a helper. This portrayal is more intimate and anthropocentric, with God personally shaping Adam and breathing life into him.


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#1 - The Earth Does Not Last Forever
In Ecclesiastes 1:4, we read that “the earth remains forever,” a sentiment echoed in Psalm 104:5, which praises God for laying the foundations of the earth so firmly that “it should never be moved.”

However, this view contrasts sharply with certain passages in the New Testament that foresee the destruction of the current earth and the creation of a new one. For example, 2 Peter 3:13 describes the hope for “new heavens and a new earth, where righteousness dwells,” and Revelation 21:1 envisions “a new heaven and a new earth” after the first has passed away.


Ecclesiastes 1:4
“One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.”

King James Version (KJV)

hyperbolic language.
Hyperbolic language refers to the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It is often employed to emphasize a point, evoke strong feelings, or create a lasting impression. Hyperbole is not meant to be taken literally; instead, it serves to convey the intensity of the speaker's emotions or the significance of a situation.

good article
Ecclesiastes 1:4 - Meaning, Context, and Spiritual Reflection
https://bibleverseexplained.com/ecclesiastes/ecclesiastes-1-4/

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Ecclesiastes 1:4
“One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.”

King James Version (KJV)

hyperbolic language.
Hyperbolic language refers to the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It is often employed to emphasize a point, evoke strong feelings, or create a lasting impression. Hyperbole is not meant to be taken literally; instead, it serves to convey the intensity of the speaker's emotions or the significance of a situation.

good article
Ecclesiastes 1:4 - Meaning, Context, and Spiritual Reflection
https://bibleverseexplained.com/ecclesiastes/ecclesiastes-1-4/


The old convenient "it was just a metaphor/figuire of speech" trick. Come now TiStuff

What about number 2 and 3 when there is two distinctly different numbers being given and different chronological order of the creation of the universe? Those also a figuire of speech?

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#4 – Does God Forgive People?
In 2 Kings 24:4, we encounter a stark declaration: “The LORD was not willing to forgive,” specifically regarding the sins of King Manasseh, who led Judah into idolatry and shed innocent blood.

This statement stands in tension with the broader biblical theme of God’s mercy and willingness to forgive, as seen in passages like Psalms 103:3,10, which praise God for forgiving iniquities and not treating humanity as their sins deserve.

The contradiction deepens when we compare 2 Kings with 2 Chronicles. In the latter (2 Chronicles 33:19), we learn that Manasseh eventually repented, humbling himself before God, who then restored him.

However, repentance and restoration are entirely absent from the account in Kings, which portrays Manasseh’s sins as the ultimate reason for Judah’s destruction — a punishment that fell upon generations long after his reign.

#5 – How Many Items?
In the book of Ezra, we encounter a numerical inconsistency regarding the temple vessels that King Cyrus of Persia returned to the Jews for their use in rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem. Ezra 1:9-10 provides a detailed inventory:

1,000 silver cymbals
29 knives (the exact meaning of the term is debated)
30 golden cups
410 silver cups
1,000 other devices
This totals 2,469 items. Yet in Ezra 1:11, the text states that the total number of vessels returned was 5,400. This represents another example of the contradictions in the Bible, deriving from the difference between the listed items and the sum provided.

Attempts to harmonize this contradiction by suggesting that not all items were included in the detailed list seem unlikely. Verse 10 explicitly states, “and 1,000 other devices,” implying that all categories of vessels were accounted for.

#6 – Levite Cities: 11 or 13?
Another contradiction arises in the accounts of the Levite cities allocated to the descendants of Aaron. In 1 Chronicles 6:42-45, 11 cities are listed, but the text states there should be 13 in total. These cities include Hebron, Libna, Jattir, Eschtemoa, Holon, Debir, Aschan, Beth Shemesh, Geba, Alemet, and Anatot. The discrepancy between the stated total and the actual list creates an inconsistency within the text.

The parallel account in Joshua 21:13-19 provides a different list of 13 cities, with variations and additions. Notably, this list includes Ajin, Jutta, Gibeon, and Almon, which are absent in Chronicles, while Aschan and Alemet do not appear in Joshua’s account.
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Jan 10 2026 03:12am
The old convenient "it was just a metaphor/figuire of speech" trick. Come now TiStuff

What about number 2 and 3 when there is two distinctly different numbers being given and different chronological order of the creation of the universe? Those also a figuire of speech?


aw come on your self. hyperbolic language is a common practice. its not like i am making anything up.

i will go down the line as time permits. number 2 will be next
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Jan 10 2026 11:11am
It is obviously a made up story from collections of writings with many unknown unverified authors. Translated and curated by several councils of men who decided what is to be included or excluded. Mainly so it's more palatable for an average pleb in order to control them.

If you step back and look at it as a whole it is nothing more then a bedtime story for adults to behave in a certain manner. It is one of many (thousands) of religions. Just about everyone on the planet had mythological story of some kind that they shared around the campfire. Everyone thinks theirs is the best and the one true religion, just like hardcore sports fans cheer for their home team.
As an outsider who isn't affiliated with any of these archaic dogmas it is obvious that none of them are the best or real. Observing here people in pard you will notice there is a distinct tribal conflict between left vs right.

The purpose of this thread is to explore the contradictions, make light of the magical story and to hopefully bring awareness to the religious fans who seem to be under the spell that their invisible dad is real.

Lets begin!


You can't disprove something that is historically accurate.

Answer the question on how the very first thing came to be. You can't be born out of nothing, so what is that something that came to create everything that has come to be? It's very evident that all of this is possible from a creator.
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You can't disprove something that is historically accurate.

Answer the question on how the very first thing came to be. You can't be born out of nothing, so what is that something that came to create everything that has come to be? It's very evident that all of this is possible from a creator.


This is Paleys watch analogy. It has multiple assumptions built in which in turn create more questions than answers.


1. It is convenient to assume that there was a creator but maybe there wasn't. An intricate watch sitting on top of a heath certainly indicates there was a creator because to arrange all the atoms in such complexity manner within such a short amount of time requires someone or something intelligent. But we are talking about a vast universe billions, trillions or infinite amount of time to create us out of basic building blocks. Maybe it took several trillion years to form water molecules, another several trillion to create basic single cell organisms then very slowly build all the other components. Remember it took us only a few thousand years from living in mud huts to flying in space and ability to make human clones in our likeness.

2. Lets assume there was a creator of some kind. What or who are they? Is it Buddha, Allah, Brahman, maybe we are a byproduct of some distant super advanced civilization that visited earth from another star system aka aliens. Or thousands of other equally plausible origin stories.

3. Who or what created the creator? They can't come out of nothing which creates an infinite loop of questions

4. If you argue the creator was already here then I can counter with the planets and all the building blocks that make life possible have also always existed.

5. Why must we answer the origin of the human race right now? Why can't it remain in the "some things don't have an explanation or need one" box. How did the tree fall in the forrest. Maybe it was too old, maybe it was the wind, someone pushed it maybe there are magic elves in the forrest. Perhaps at this current time and our technology we cannot answer these questions until we do for certain let's not fill the box with "our particular magic man did it" speculations.

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This is Paleys watch analogy. It has multiple assumptions built in which in turn create more questions than answers.


1. It is convenient to assume that there was a creator but maybe there wasn't. An intricate watch sitting on top of a heath certainly indicates there was a creator because to arrange all the atoms in such complexity manner within such a short amount of time requires someone or something intelligent. But we are talking about a vast universe billions, trillions or infinite amount of time to create us out of basic building blocks. Maybe it took several trillion years to form water molecules, another several trillion to create basic single cell organisms then very slowly build all the other components. Remember it took us only a few thousand years from living in mud huts to flying in space and ability to make human clones in our likeness.

2. Lets assume there was a creator of some kind. What or who are they? Is it Buddha, Allah, Brahman, maybe we are a byproduct of some distant super advanced civilization that visited earth from another star system aka aliens. Or thousands of other equally plausible origin stories.

3. Who or what created the creator? They can't come out of nothing which creates an infinite loop of questions

4. If you argue the creator was already here then I can counter with the planets and all the building blocks that make life possible have also always existed.

5. Why must we answer the origin of the human race right now? Why can't it remain in the "some things don't have an explanation or need one" box. How did the tree fall in the forrest. Maybe it was too old, maybe it was the wind, someone pushed it maybe there are magic elves in the forrest. Perhaps at this current time and our technology we cannot answer these questions until we do for certain let's not fill the box with "our particular magic man did it" speculations.


It's not realistic to try and argue from a standpoint of assumption.

Life started how? What does addone believe? I don't want your response to include anything other than your honest belief on how everything came to be.
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Jan 10 2026 02:09pm
It's not realistic to try and argue from a standpoint of assumption.

Life started how? What does addone believe? I don't want your response to include anything other than your honest belief on how everything came to be.


Your entire question is an assumption which I just highlighted above.
Now you are asking me my personal opinion on the thing I just said I don't know about and not necessarily believe in.

I can only answer with I don't have any conclusive proof to give you a definitive answer. I may also give you my personal guess which is "a much more advanced ancient civilization of people existed before us" but that is my personal guess which is why I never bothered to give or think why it's relevant.

You desperately require any blanks to be filled in otherwise what? You cannot sleep at night? So you went out and jumped on the first "because magic hokus pokus, Shazam!" Magic wizard created man out of dust like play dough and a woman out of his rib in a magical garden with a talking snake!!!

I am simply saying there is still a mystery box and I am not going to fill it with "because magic wizard"
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Jan 10 2026 03:38pm
whats your epistemic justification for reason?
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