This is the best double bow I’ve seen besides slims which was a 40-99 damage +2 20ias that was found like 4 years ago and went to China.

i was asked to post on the topic of double bow/rune bow

its hard to give exact numbers because at the end of the day stats do depend on the build, damage numbers change if you are all vita all dex or a mix

i personally make all vita zons i think that vita is superior to dex, with this being said my arrows do a very low amount of damage very very low exp when considering
i only use razor and double bows

weird im here talking about vita and dex etc glass cannon vs vita blah blah blah but the thing is is that

first off i seen some mentions of ias here i just want to be clear that
70 ias double 9th frame
70 ias rune bow 9th frame
they both shoot the same speed idk why comparing 60ias rune vs 70ias double before, but they shoot the same speed you could lose cannot be frozen and add gold wrap for 10 more ias
on the double bow and go
80 ias double 8th frame
70 ias rune 9th frame
where maybe then some of those numbers u were chatting about might hold more water

anyways though the thing about double bows is you can also go
50 ias double 9th frame
70 ias rune 9th frame

so the double you can actually take off ias and still shoot the same speed as a rune bow, this is the build that is the good build

#1 rattle cage, now switching out twitch with rattle cage that double bow is going to do more damage then that rune bow i actually do not really use this option
because you do have like gtoes you could theoretically use -30 movement speed in some slots however in situations like vs a barb or paladin or something like that where
you want heavy movement speed you cant afford to put on gtoes and lose that movement speed so rcage would be hitting big here and since barbs and paladins are heavy life characters
the amount of damage that rattle cage would be doing to them far exceeds actually phyiscal damage from a bow at this point a razor bow would be hitting harder then a gothic bow

(you could also switch items mid-fight maybe like once the barb gets below half) or you could also use a rune bow for example with boneflesh then switch back to twitch)
(and in some play this sort of move may not be legal)

a rune bow could do the same thing but then they are going to shoot slower

#2 bone flesh, bleed ticks based on character level so character level will mater here at around level 91 you tik for around 300 bleed damage per arrow, 300 bleed damamge is quite high
compared to the actual physical arrow damage of a bow, bow arrow damage, basically sucks and when you have a vita-based zon which imo are the best types 1 arrow is going to do significantally
less damage then 300, so most of a amazons damage actually comes from bleed and not the actual physical damage of the bow

also in some situations you may even be able to use bone flesh and crushing blow for an even larger payday

but yeah

if you have a lets say
36-89 20 ias double
vs
40-115 20 ias rune

that double bow user gets to wear either bone flesh or rcage for free with out losing any ias and still shooting the same speed as the rune bow and
4 minimum damage and 26 maximum damage is going to lose to 300dmg bleed (which actually would go even higher if you go past level 91)

alittle extra credit;

i actually am not a big fan of rune bows because they are like the main bow that cannot move up or down between frames, they are stuck
as to where a double for example can move and switch around his ias between the frames

a rune you cannot add more ias and get a higher frame
a rune you cannot remove items and maintain the same breakpoints you lose ias

thats why to me runes are alittle boring but check this build out honestly i never seen anyone use it before

gothic bows can actually move up and down break points like a double bow can also, thats why sometimes people mention gothics only needing 10ias
however what i dont think alot of people realise is that that is for a twitch-based-build but in this thread you heard the rcage-boneflesh arguement

well thats why id argue a gothic bow does need 20ias because 10ias on a gothic bow isnt high enough to move up and down when using bone flesh

but anywho the extra credit build more so vs like a paladin maybe maybe vs a barb non max speed

you can use a 20ias gothic with bone flesh + sigons +goldwrap 10ias belt

the interesting thing about that build to me is that that gothic bow build shoots at the same speed as a rune bow using bone flesh would, so where as a double bow can move up or down
a gothic bow can also shoot the same speed as a bonefleshed rune bow which is kind of nuts

but yeah i guess thats it its just for me the whole rune bow more damage thing to me doesnt hold true because i think a double bow hits harder then a rune bow because of boneflesh

and in addition to that you know if you are doing like lets say zon vs zon and you have someone who is just all dex completely glass cannon, they are not going to be able to kill a
1900 life amazon in 3 hits but that all dex amazon already has extremely low life and would be 1 health in like 2 arrows

anywho i own this bow now

OH YEAH ONE MORE THING I ALMOST FORGOT LMFAO EDIT:
mad... bro 40-99 +2 20ias?? cmon bro that bow was like 40-76 +2 20ias i harassed that bow and searched for that bow endlessly but the reason i want to bring this up actually also in an edit is because
everyone knows im pretty big on +skills sucking and always looking for non-+skill gear well man the value of +skills change pending on a bunch of factors and character types, my whole point is

+skills on an amazon apsolutely blow +2 skills on an amazon is equal to like 2-3 minimum damage or some wack shit its actually quite bad and all pavises and skills diminish at very low levels
so in many cases +2 skills will not even get you 1% in a skill like dodge avoid evade etc while providing like near 0 damage around 2 min dmg worth....

this is also a big reason why people using +2amazon skilled amulets get shreaded so easy because their ussually giving up god stats like 9minimum damage when really the main focus should be 9min 20str 20dex
im just saying if u have a zon using a 9min 20str 20dex and a zon using a +2 20str 20dex that zon using the +2 20/20 is going to get destroyed

so as far as a bow goes... a non-skilled bow is ussually going to be alot better then a skilled bow unless that skilled bow is just amazing its not like a barb +skilled item where it has a bunch of huge advantages

so honestly i think this bow would shread that bow (that bow might of even have been 45-76)

This post was edited by Jvun7 on Jan 8 2026 03:02pm

GG description, thank you for taking the time

Bro thank you, I want ama now:P What about 20 ias ballista? Is this comparable?

This post was edited by PNZ on Jan 8 2026 03:31pm

what about a razor bow 30-61 dmg 2+ 20 ias ?^^

there was an irath/goldwrap/boneflesh/rcage movement speed where adding the goldwrap would put you into the next frame 40ias = 16th 50ias =15th

i normally dont go so low but i actually have looked into balistas before because of the zon vs barb match up not requiring much ias so i have
looked at the very low ias counts on a balista before

to the point where i have no gloves from clegs reducing the barbs movement speed

in this case any ias will take you to a new breakpoint meaning

0 - 10 - 20 - 30 - 40 - 50 ias all have different breakpoints so basically with a balista for the first 5 breakpoints any ias(10) would add hense the first line
of this message, other then that one senario generally speaking a balista is more or less a stuck bow simular to a rune bow meaning that you cannot normally add ias
or remove ias to get better frames or maintain the ones you have, you will always lose ias

with that being said i will just say though, vs a strong barb its going to be hard for amazon to win vs very high movement speed barb, its very importain to note that
vs a strong user you will not be able to hit hit run hit hit run, this combo will lose, even hit run hit run loses, the point of this is you can only get 1 arrow out before
you have to scramble and run for your life, thats the whole point because of this i would consider ias less valuable in this sort of situation, if thats what i was focusing
on for the bow -req or +skills can even be better, esp if you are generally a lighter bow user, such as a razor double rune, and are only using the balista for a " switch "
bow to fight the barb or paladin etc generally its not even possible for those light bows to switch to the balista because such high stat requirement which is why sometimes
i look for balista that have massive damage, missing ias but have a nice mod like -30req so it can be used as a double-bow switch vs barb

as for the razor bow question razor bows and double bows have the same breakpoints so everything in the original message would pretty much apply to the razor also

and you know what one last thing, just because i think its sort of on topic

unique bow Rogue's Bow unique composite bow(holy shit after this line i wrote for an hour and just deleted it all that shit got so long)
because of this i cant go into full detail about rogue's bow the 5-12 50ias but it can shoot 9frame bleed with maximum slow knockback and movement speed
which is powerful

Gg

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