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Jan 8 2026 07:40am
So are you saying that a gay life matters much less?


Lev. 20:13

BTW, I went and looked and found this.
"Distraught woman says ICE killed her wife in video after deadly Minneapolis shooting" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Jan 8 2026 07:41am
Was she a criminal before this? Was that why she was shot? She is not an American citizen? She is in the US illegally, doing bad things and they finally caught her and shot her ? I am trying to understand, what crime did she commit or what crime was she accused of committing to result in the side arm being upholstered and her being shot dead. What about the other car that sped off? Was that her accomplice ? Was there an imminent threat to civilians ? If the other car was an accomplice, where they apprehended and shot dead as well? From my perspective shooting her dead seems very excessive, she was not about to kill someone. Why escalate ? Is there something I am missing here? can someone give me a logical account? The person that shot her, is a police officer ? right ? I simply dont understand.


her only "crime" is impeding ICE. who claim she blocked the road, even though in the video another car passes right by her and ICE could have just driven past. she's parked sideways but the road still is partially open.

an ICE officer (not police officer) jumped in front of her vehicle, then when she attempted to turn and drive around him he shot her dead, then shot a few more times for good measure.

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Jan 8 2026 07:51am
her only "crime" is impeding ICE. who claim she blocked the road, even though in the video another car passes right by her and ICE could have just driven past. she's parked sideways but the road still is partially open.

an officer jumped in front of her vehicle, then when she attempted to turn and drive around him he shot her dead, then shot a few more times for good measure.


OK so, I am reading that Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem described it as an “act of domestic terrorism” therefore labeling the dead woman as a terrorist, who, their words now, attempted to “weaponize her vehicle” and tried to kill the agents. I just do not see that in the video. I see someone trying to flee a scene (not a crime scene!) and being shot dead. Basically a walking while black moment, if that makes sense.

She was unarmed, not fleeing a crime scene, not threatening civilians, yet she was shot dead. I mean boy, that escalated quickly.

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her only "crime" is impeding ICE. who claim she blocked the road, even though in the video another car passes right by her and ICE could have just driven past. she's parked sideways but the road still is partially open.

an ICE officer (not police officer) jumped in front of her vehicle, then when she attempted to turn and drive around him he shot her dead, then shot a few more times for good measure.


Well if we actually enforced laws instead of trying to minimize harm from encounters on the misguided philosophy of letting people get away with escalatory behavior because arresting them could spark conflict- she harassed and stalked federal agents with a clear attempt to interfere in their duties and threaten them. A crime. She blocked the road when she saw them trying to extricate a vehicle, directly obstructing federal agents in their duties, a crime- they were trying to get a vehicle out of the snowbank and she saw it and parked her vehicle in front of them to block them. Then when approached by officers giving her commands, she tried to flee law enforcement and ignore commands, a crime. And she backed up her vehicle without any regard for bystanders or checking her blind spots, well more of a moving violation than a crime to be technical. She deserved a ticket and points on her license for that. Then when her vehicle was lined up with an officer she hit the gas and spun her tires several times, enough she would have run him down with traction. Assault with a deadly weapon.

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Basically a walking while black moment, if that makes sense.


She was a lesbo mud shark, so your story checks out.
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Jan 8 2026 07:58am
Well if we actually enforced laws instead of trying to minimize harm from encounters on the misguided philosophy of letting people get away with escalatory behavior because arresting them could spark conflict- she harassed and stalked federal agents with a clear attempt to interfere in their duties and threaten them. A crime. She blocked the road when she saw them trying to extricate a vehicle, directly obstructing federal agents in their duties, a crime- they were trying to get a vehicle out of the snowbank and she saw it and parked her vehicle in front of them to block them. Then when approached by officers giving her commands, she tried to flee law enforcement and ignore commands, a crime. And she backed up her vehicle without any regard for bystanders or checking her blind spots, well more of a moving violation than a crime to be technical. She deserved a ticket and points on her license for that. Then when her vehicle was lined up with an officer she hit the gas and spun her tires several times, enough she would have run him down with traction. Assault with a deadly weapon.


really? does she really need to be shot dead for this ? do you really think she wanted to kill someone? why not simply pull a hand gun if she wants to kill someone? when i look at the videos it looks like she is trying to escape. we discussed this earlier, elsewhere, and sure from other angles it can be argued as you have outlined but is this really a fine moment of ICE ?

the more context I am getting the more stupid it reads. this story is being beamed all over the planet.

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Well if we actually enforced laws instead of trying to minimize harm from encounters on the misguided philosophy of letting people get away with escalatory behavior because arresting them could spark conflict- she harassed and stalked federal agents with a clear attempt to interfere in their duties and threaten them. A crime. She blocked the road when she saw them trying to extricate a vehicle, directly obstructing federal agents in their duties, a crime- they were trying to get a vehicle out of the snowbank and she saw it and parked her vehicle in front of them to block them. Then when approached by officers giving her commands, she tried to flee law enforcement and ignore commands, a crime. And she backed up her vehicle without any regard for bystanders or checking her blind spots, well more of a moving violation than a crime to be technical. She deserved a ticket and points on her license for that. Then when her vehicle was lined up with an officer she hit the gas and spun her tires several times, enough she would have run him down with traction. Assault with a deadly weapon.


kirby v duba 2008. she's not liable for the officer in front of her vehicle, he is.

OK so, I am reading that Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem described it as an “act of domestic terrorism” therefore labeling the dead woman as a terrorist, who, their words now, attempted to “weaponize her vehicle” and tried to kill the agents. I just do not see that in the video. I see someone trying to flee a scene (not a crime scene!) and being shot dead. Basically a walking while black moment, if that makes sense.

She was unarmed, not fleeing a crime scene, not threatening civilians, yet she was shot dead. I mean boy, that escalated quickly.


basically yes. she's a criminal who tried to impede officers, terrorist is a big stretch.
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Jan 8 2026 08:09am
basically yes. she's a criminal who tried to impede officers, terrorist is a big stretch.


Ok, she’s a criminal? Charged, Tried, and Conviction for some past offense? From what I’ve seen and read, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time — a FAFO moment at most. Calling her a ‘dangerous criminal’ seems completely unfounded.

if we are speaking basic's I would say she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, she had a FAFO moment and the ICE response was disproportionate to the act. I think I need to leave this topic before I get mad, or worse, drive other people mad.

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Jan 8 2026 08:13am
kirby v duba 2008. she's not liable for the officer in front of her vehicle, he is.


Replacing law school students doing clerking with hallucinating AI has some funny impacts. Clark v Bowcutt 2018 in the 10th circuit said pretty much exactly the opposite, in circumstances mirroring this one. Kirby v Duva had them shooting at a stopped vehicle that they had not perceived as an imminent threat

The shooting of Michael Brown wouldn't have been justified if the cop disentangled himself, went home and had lunch and later set out and found Brown at his mommas home on the playstation eating doritos and popped him a dozen times. Bowcutt dealt with an officer standing in the path of a vehicle he was trying to stop as it did a 3 point turn and accelerated towards him, Duva dealt with officers surrounding a car and turning it into swiss cheese after the driver stopped resisting and idled it

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Ok, she’s a criminal? Charged, Tried, and Conviction for some past offense? From what I’ve seen and read, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time — a FAFO moment at most. Calling her a ‘dangerous criminal’ seems completely unfounded.

if we are speaking basic's I would say she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, she had a FAFO moment and the ICE response was disproportionate to the act. I think I need to leave this topic before I get mad, or worse, drive other people mad.


Everyone knows what and how modern police are.
You roll the dice when they are around.
Your #1 defend to this is avoidance.
She went there intentionally with the intent to get in their way.
The events unfolded exactly as one would predict.
One could even claim cop assisted suicide.
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