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Jan 7 2026 03:42pm
you believe ashly babbitt was murdered then?


Whatever the legal terminology, I don't believe she should have been shot via lethal means and it is regrettable that she died. We as a society are either overly permissive of lethality or insufficient in training and resources for law enforcement to handle situations with non-lethal means.
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Jan 7 2026 03:45pm
I think the main thing is that police do not have the duty to retreat. For example, if someone draws a knife and runs toward an officer, he has the right to shoot him, even if the officer has the ability to run away instead. The woman was commanded to get out of the vehicle (which *is* a deadly weapon, this is akin to being commanded to drop the knife). She refused this command and actuated the weapon. It is clear to me that the shots weren't absolutely necessary but he was in his right to fire. Police are not obligated to use less-than-lethal measures in situations like this - you could argue they should be, but by law they aren't obligated.

Refusing to cooperate with police can turn deadly fast. It's an entirely avoidable tragedy if she merely stopped the vehicle and got out.


He didn't even have to retreat. She was barely moving and barely grazed him. She should have been chased down, arrested and charged.

Maybe the videos I watched are both hiding whatever you guys are seeing.
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Jan 7 2026 03:48pm
I think the main thing is that police do not have the duty to retreat. For example, if someone draws a knife and runs toward an officer, he has the right to shoot him, even if the officer has the ability to run away instead. The woman was commanded to get out of the vehicle (which *is* a deadly weapon, this is akin to being commanded to drop the knife). She refused this command and actuated the weapon. It is clear to me that the shots weren't absolutely necessary but he was in his right to fire. Police are not obligated to use less-than-lethal measures in situations like this - you could argue they should be, but by law they aren't obligated.

Refusing to cooperate with police can turn deadly fast. It's an entirely avoidable tragedy if she merely stopped the vehicle and got out.


I'm just a citizen commenting, and not dipping my toes into the legal considerations. The investigation--which I'm sure there will be one--will handle that. I'm just saying that this was very poor handling by that officer and where we agree is that his shots were unnecessary, either in-part or in-full, and it is sad that a life was ended as a result.

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Jan 7 2026 03:48pm
Whatever the legal terminology, I don't believe she should have been shot via lethal means and it is regrettable that she died. We as a society are either overly permissive of lethality or insufficient in training and resources for law enforcement to handle situations with non-lethal means.


you seem to want to talk around the direct question about ashly babbitt.
but dont seem to have a problem making precise judgement concerning the woman in the car?
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Jan 7 2026 03:49pm
you seem to want to talk around the direct question about ashly babbitt.
but dont seem to have a problem making precise judgement concerning the woman in the car?


I've not described the incident here as "murder" either.
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Jan 7 2026 03:50pm
He didn't even have to retreat. She was barely moving and barely grazed him. She should have been chased down, arrested and charged.

Maybe the videos I watched are both hiding whatever you guys are seeing.


She barely grazed him because he took evasive action. Had he remained stationary, he was in her path. That's attempted murder with a deadly weapon.

Police doctrine is such to avoid extremely dangerous high-speed chases, which often result in innocent bystanders being hurt. Not to mention the snowy conditions. Again I'll reiterate the officer was completely within his rights.
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Jan 7 2026 03:53pm
I've not described the incident here as "murder" either.


chit dude? then what are you calling it?
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I'm just a citizen commenting, and not dipping my toes into the legal considerations. The investigation--which I'm sure there will be one--will handle that. I'm just saying that this was very poor handling by that officer and where we agree is that his shots were unnecessary, either in-part or in-full, and it is sad that a life was ended as a result.


I agree that it could have been handled much better without a needless loss of a life. However I maintain that the blame is entirely on the woman who refused to cooperate, and actions such as hers should under no circumstances be encouraged as the consequences are clear.
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Jan 7 2026 03:58pm
She barely grazed him because he took evasive action. Had he remained stationary, he was in her path. That's attempted murder with a deadly weapon.

Police doctrine is such to avoid extremely dangerous high-speed chases, which often result in innocent bystanders being hurt. Not to mention the snowy conditions. Again I'll reiterate the officer was completely within his rights.


Lol took evasive action? It looks like he was standing still and got pushed a foot or two.

Again, maybe I'm fuckin blind.
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Jan 7 2026 03:59pm
Boy howdy, the optics with this one...

Both sides are right lol
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