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Jan 7 2026 06:43am
The only time that article 5 of Nato was activated happened when the US was struck on 911.
Many European countries have lost soldiers in Afghanistan fighting for the US.

But some in here have a cock too big and cuz they r so stimulated by the recent success of their military (kudos!) the blood doesnt reach the head anymore.


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Coalition Casualties in Afghanistan, per capita. : r/europe
Among coalition forces in Afghanistan, Denmark generally experienced the highest per capita military losses, followed closely by countries like the United States, United Kingdom, and Canada.
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Jan 7 2026 06:51am
The "contractor" lost 400,000 lives saving a bunch of ingrates.


If we’re going to reduce this to WWII death counts, then Russia has far more to say than the United States, and regardless, American troops were not the only ones who died. That isn’t the point. Calling Europe “ingrates” while invoking the deaths of U.S. servicemen actually reinforces my argument. It shows that this relationship is still being framed as a ledger, sacrifice on one side, deference on the other. That is a transactional worldview. Europe has repeatedly acknowledged U.S. involvement. What it has not agreed to is that past wars create permanent claims on sovereignty. Payments were made. Debts were settled.

Greenland is not an item to be added to the bill. The U.S. is now saying something different and much simpler: we will take this because we can. That is the point of this discussion.

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If we’re going to reduce this to WWII death counts, then Russia has far more to say than the United States, and regardless, American troops were not the only ones who died. That isn’t the point. Calling Europe “ingrates” while invoking the deaths of U.S. servicemen actually reinforces my argument. It shows that this relationship is still being framed as a ledger, sacrifice on one side, deference on the other. That is a transactional worldview. Europe has repeatedly acknowledged U.S. involvement. What it has not agreed to is that past wars create permanent claims on sovereignty. Payments were made. Debts were settled.

Greenland is not an item to be added to the bill. The U.S. is now saying something different and much simpler: we will take this because we can. That is the point of this discussion.


Russia was attacked, they didn’t join the fight to help Europe remain sovereign. Greenland can certainly be added to the bill if they wish. Maybe it is transactional, maybe there’s nothing you can do about it. All of History has been about "taking things because you can" and serving the interests of the country before others.
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TLDR - A prediction : The USA will capture Greenland.

In 2025, JD Vance (VP and a leading contender to succeed Donald Trump) stated that the U.S. has a simple approach to foreign policy:

Step 1: Diplomacy
Step 2: Intense diplomacy
Step 3: Overwhelming military force

We saw this policy in action with Iran last year. Threats escalated until the U.S. flew bombers around the world to strike a country unprovoked. Iran had not attacked the U.S. Shortly thereafter, Israel bombed a NATO ally, Qatar, home to one of the largest U.S. military bases. The U.S. undoubtedly knew about the strike and allowed it to happen. This shows that Qatar is not an ally, but an asset to be used as Washington sees fit.

In 2026, this framework appears to be directed at Europe, specifically, Greenland. It is an asset. The US wants it. This is a European problem, a Danish problem. Europe has alienated Africa, Russia, China, and India. Some of those countries have interests in the region, but they won’t go to war over Greenland. Europe lacks an army, backbone, leverage, and consensus — in short, Europe is perpetually paralyzed, unable to respond collectively, decisively, or at all. It is not if Donald Trump will follow through on his claims, but when.

European politicians remain trapped in a blurry version of the past. They still think they had an ally, when in reality everything, even WWII, was transactional. Europe paid the U.S. to intervene. U.S. interests aligned then, but they do not now. If Venezuela, with 29 million people across 916,000 km², was low-hanging fruit, then Greenland, with 57,000 people across 2.1 million km², is literally in Donald Trump’s hand. More people were killed in Gaza than live in Greenland - and the world did nothing.

The European problem is compounded by the fact that national newspapers regularly publish articles decrying “anti-American” sentiment, even as the U.S. conducts unprovoked strikes and kidnappings. This highlights Europe’s double standards. It demands moral outrage for others’ actions while overlooking America’s violations. The U.S. can do no wrong in much of the Western media, even when it is clearly doing wrong.

The harsh reality of U.S. foreign policy: might makes right, speed and decisiveness trump law, norms, and moral outrage, and Europe is irrelevant. Europe can do nothing; Greenland will be taken — it is only a matter of how.


you’re right about how power works and how weak Europe is. You’re wrong about where that logic leads. Real power isn’t taking what you can. It’s knowing when taking something would cost more than it’s worth
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Jan 7 2026 08:44am
Russia was attacked, they didn’t join the fight to help Europe remain sovereign. Greenland can certainly be added to the bill if they wish. Maybe it is transactional, maybe there’s nothing you can do about it. All of History has been about "taking things because you can" and serving the interests of the country before others.


noted.

you’re right about how power works and how weak Europe is. You’re wrong about where that logic leads. Real power isn’t taking what you can. It’s knowing when taking something would cost more than it’s worth


time will tell what the US does.
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Jan 7 2026 08:54am
Reminder: Trump is a Kremlin agent. ;)
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Reminder: Trump is a Kremlin agent. ;)


Just cuz they got pics of him with very young hookers doesn't mean he's an agent.
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Jan 7 2026 09:27am
Reminder: Trump is a Moosad agent. ;)


Fixed it for you fren.
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Jan 7 2026 09:47am
I see this is the "fantasy topic". LOL


32 countries in NATO. The US pays 16% of NATO's bills. Divided evenly, the US should pay 3.1%

193 countries in the UN. The US pays 22% of the UN's bills. Divided evenly, the US should pay .5%


Yeah... ingrates was fairly accurate comment.

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Fixed it for you fren.


It seems like everyone is a Mossad agent but Netanyahu. But that's not certain.
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