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maybe it does seem like im taking shots at eurp but in my defense i feel like they are more retaliation or preemptive

the only reason i even push my stance this hard is because europe players bash anyone not using their rule sets claiming they are " bm duels " noob duels " etc
and im sick of it to the point im sick of hearing people talk about pvp rules i will be getting involved eurp just discredits USEAST because they dont duel with a set of rules longer then my posts

and they will be very bad mannered if you do not agree to their terms,

Fuck
That

i never discredited eurp or anything in the past, i understand how they want to run it, but then for eurp to press that onto us and then diminish what we have done
and call us noobs and bm duelers and put in false and unfair implications of us just being hackers and we only use replenish so we can run away and flee fights and run
and blah blah blah that shits wack

i cant allow this

look
the best players in the world on east always been known
the best players in the world from eurp always been known also

but we have always been seperated east and eurp were never able to log onto each others realms until D2R

and i just feel like ever since D2R is release EURP pushes this agenda that says well, if your not following the " d2r eurp rules " your a " bm noob dueler " is fucking wack as fuck
esp when alot more people played on east then eurp but thats not the point

i personally am just really good i think i dont care what people use, i could careless, you want to use hotspurs 120cr shield 300cr noak amulet 95%FR have 100 replenish running around
with TMC faster hit recovery hacks autoaim? running from me making me chase you i dont care im still going to win, id even argue its not fair if you cant use this stuff cause i mean
fuck you cant beat me with all this stuff what makes you think ud win without it

This post was edited by Jvun7 on Dec 24 2025 07:01pm
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maybe it does seem like im taking shots at eurp but in my defense i feel like they are more retaliation or preemptive

the only reason i even push my stance this hard is because europe players bash anyone not using their rule sets claiming they are " bm duels " noob duels " etc
and im sick of it to the point im sick of hearing people talk about pvp rules i will be getting involved eurp just discredits USEAST because they dont duel with a set of rules longer then my posts

and they will be very bad mannered if you do not agree to their terms,

Fuck
That

i never discredited eurp or anything in the past, i understand how they want to run it, but then for eurp to press that onto us and then diminish what we have done
and call us noobs and bm duelers and put in false and unfair implications of us just being hackers and we only use replenish so we can run away and flee fights and run
and blah blah blah that shits wack

i cant allow this

look
the best players in the world on east always been known
the best players in the world from eurp always been known also

but we have always been seperated east and eurp were never able to log onto each others realms until D2R

and i just feel like ever since D2R is release EURP pushes this agenda that says well, if your not following the " d2r eurp rules " your a " bm noob dueler " is fucking wack as fuck
esp when alot more people played on east then eurp but thats not the point

i personally am just really good i think i dont care what people use, i could careless, you want to use hotspurs 120cr shield 300cr noak amulet 95%FR have 100 replenish running around
with TMC faster hit recovery hacks autoaim? running from me making me chase you i dont care im still going to win, id even argue its not fair if you cant use this stuff cause i mean
fuck you cant beat me with all this stuff what makes you think ud win without it


You are trippin my boy, noone pressed you guys from east classic to do shit... or if you felt pressured by one of the 10 eu guys pvping in d2r classic you gotta work on your insecurity

When you seen this post of my friend about the interest for an svs ladder with rules you went all crazy saying absurd things, namedropping unknown guys from east classic in OG d2...
And claiming you beat all of the TMC/AA chars with a legit sorc sounds like you are delusional ontop

I couldnt care less about if you like to join or if you dislike our rules.. but I mean.. go make your own svs ladder with zero rules in d2R Classic ?

That being said, it would still be interesting to see these incredible skills that you claim to have so let me know if I have to come out of retirement to svs duel with you in d2ga or if we are going to paragraph vs paragraph..

Once again merry xmas everyone ! :santa:

This post was edited by Youshould on Dec 24 2025 08:28pm
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im here talking about rules in duels

and you are here asking me if i want to go off-battle.net for a rules duel where we would have the same gear and same builds

you have got to be kidding me

bro
i dont want to use the same gear as you, i dont want to use your faster hit recovery gear, i dont want you coping everything i put on my gear
i dont want to use the same build as you, i dont want to use your builds all of my sorc builds are unique they are not like other players builds i dont want to use a "common" build to duel you with nor do i want you coping my build to face me

im not interested in this rule based same gear same build duel its exactally what im here voicing about why you would think id want to do a rules type of duel
when im clearly hear voicing against these sort of rules clearly you must be trolling

if you really want to duel log on the game get yourself some gear and come play im not going to some random d2 mod

and btw who is the better user really doesnt always tell the full picture i see better users lose all the time because their character items are poorly put together or their stats are
poorly put together or their skills are poorly put together
user-items-stats-skills in no specific order but my point is even if you are alittle bit better user you still need to be good at all 4 of the things

i consider rules duels like that to be an
Expansion thing
classic never had rules like LOD does until some eurp expansion players who played classic once in awhile that it would be a good idea to try them on classic
which honestly i can kinda understand expansion rules because they have massively overpowered things like runewords and a bunch of stuff that is quite OP but classic, dont got anything that is massively op like that

anywho typed to long merry xmas to you also really no malus i was always a nightowl so all my good friends were from different parts of the world so if you say some dumb shit
and i respond saying some even dumber shit please forgive me lol :)

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im here talking about rules in duels

and you are here asking me if i want to go off-battle.net for a rules duel where we would have the same gear and same builds

you have got to be kidding me

bro
i dont want to use the same gear as you, i dont want to use your faster hit recovery gear, i dont want you coping everything i put on my gear
i dont want to use the same build as you, i dont want to use your builds all of my sorc builds are unique they are not like other players builds i dont want to use a "common" build to duel you with nor do i want you coping my build to face me

im not interested in this rule based same gear same build duel its exactally what im here voicing about why you would think id want to do a rules type of duel
when im clearly hear voicing against these sort of rules clearly you must be trolling

if you really want to duel log on the game get yourself some gear and come play im not going to some random d2 mod

and btw who is the better user really doesnt always tell the full picture i see better users lose all the time because their character items are poorly put together or their stats are
poorly put together or their skills are poorly put together
user-items-stats-skills in no specific order but my point is even if you are alittle bit better user you still need to be good at all 4 of the things

i consider rules duels like that to be an
Expansion thing
classic never had rules like LOD does until some eurp expansion players who played classic once in awhile that it would be a good idea to try them on classic
which honestly i can kinda understand expansion rules because they have massively overpowered things like runewords and a bunch of stuff that is quite OP but classic, dont got anything that is massively op like that

anywho typed to long merry xmas to you also really no malus i was always a nightowl so all my good friends were from different parts of the world so if you say some dumb shit
and i respond saying some even dumber shit please forgive me lol :)


Nice long way to say you dont want to duel on equal terms.

Its pretty simple : the rules in classic europe were made (by classic players not by "lod players who came in classic")so we could have fair and balanced duels on equal terms so pvpers could compare their pvp abilities.

Its completly fine if you disagree about the rules, dont play by them and move on. But please dont twist reality you are the one who brought "classic east is better" it wasnt only you talking about rules.

Btw I just offered d2ga cuz I was really curious about ur skills since u bragged that much and cuz d2ga cost nothing to both of us and any piece of equipement is available along with instant lvl99. No problem if you dont want it tho

I wont reply further as its a waste of time for both of us. You are entitled to your opinion and thats fine.

Enjoy


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i dont think rules
Nice long way to say you dont want to duel on equal terms.

Its pretty simple : the rules in classic europe were made (by classic players not by "lod players who came in classic")so we could have fair and balanced duels on equal terms so pvpers could compare their pvp abilities.

Its completly fine if you disagree about the rules, dont play by them and move on. But please dont twist reality you are the one who brought "classic east is better" it wasnt only you talking about rules.

Btw I just offered d2ga cuz I was really curious about ur skills since u bragged that much and cuz d2ga cost nothing to both of us and any piece of equipement is available along with instant lvl99. No problem if you dont want it tho

I wont reply further as its a waste of time for both of us. You are entitled to your opinion and thats fine.

Enjoy


cool i didnt really want to reply either theres not much to say id just be nitpicking at this point but why not

no, i dont want to duel on " equal terms " because your definition of equal terms and mine are different things someone loading onto a modded server and hero editing all the gear in 5 minutes that i have been working for for 5 years to me is not " equal terms "

but i get your point im not dismissing your point like i get what ur saying but you have to understand where im coming from also

plus even besides gear i dont want to duel on even terms, in terms of where i place my skill points that sounds hella boring one of the funnest part about diablo 2 is moving a few different skill points around to try and get an edge over your opponent
again i get what your saying but missing this part for me is a key fundamental of a strong builder even if its not related to his user strength build strength is also key

and again about wanting to duel on even terms, for me there is so many ways i might want to aproach a duel like if i know ur stacking vita maybe i wanna stack mana if ur stacking mana maybe i want to go vita maybe i want to go half and half maybe there is 10 different ways i like to do something and the LAST thing i am thinking about when im building my character is " being on even terms " like bro im trying to surpass and destroy you.... not be even so yeah... just my point of view on that its just characters teliporting around with the EXACT same skills EXACT same health EXACT same mana EXACT same everything is not only boring but missing key fundamentals

and i really didnt recall bragging so much or atleaste the things i said i wasnt trying to brag, im an overall solid user, but i have met a few better users then me before imo (by the word user i mean mouse control/movement/lock/etc) but these people
were unable to beat me because they were missing other important steps such as properly building or where to put stats or where to put skills that i thought had an "edge" over the other

but yeah anywho i think for my last point which ive kinda already said multiple times is that i do not think that " the rules made by classic eurp " make it any fairer then it already is Yes, MAYBE for SOME match ups that are extremely out their like for
example a bowzon vs a necro and his bonearmor/bonewalls/boneprison cause this is an extreme advantage(not even saying i agree with that rule) but to skip that now svs is alot different there isnt an overwhealming unbalance in svs that cant be over
come like NvZ

we can nvz 10000 times me on zon you on necro, im prolly going to lose 10000 times to a strong user

but.......

in sorc vs sorc its not imbalanced like this in svs it doesnt mater what character i am i can be the fireballer i can be the orber i can be the blizzard sorc and we can duel each of the match ups like cvf cvc fvf and that player is not going to be able
to consistanctally kill me on either sides of the fense in any match up there MIGHT be some stat related situation biased such as a mana eshield orb sorc vs a lightning sorc which is completely broken for example thats something that may be able
to be mentioned like a 2000-3000 mana sorc with 0 life fightning a 20k lightning sorc ofc hes going to get rocked but the normal match ups like fireball orb and blizzard these are all pretty equal playing fields which honestly i doubt we would even
agree who the king is most people would likely not say the same answer as me meaning, im an orb user. you think orb> is better then fireball and blizzard and i just guess my question is if im asking one what class is so op on svs that it needs to be
nerfed?

and its just wild to me eurp imo no offense when i say eurp either but like eurp be nerfing a bunch of stuff that isnt even good like i dont get it the stuff that is getting nerfed a player could not cheese me with(beat me in a cheap way)

for example which i used multiple times hotspurs and noak going 95fr vs my firesorc no mater what sorc im playing weather it be a orb or blizzard etc whats the point of even banning the 95fr when i kill him with 95fr?

its the same thing for example with replenish bro, players can run from me replenishing all they want(i actually been played in alot of replenish duels have not seen this happen very much at all but when it does it never works out for them)
so whats the big deal if a player wants to use replenish if they are still losing even while running lmfao? i just dont get it

and bro im not trying to brag, honestly its not just me im sure its you also if your a good user who builds good i dont think a player is going to be able to beat you either just by throwing on a 3 socket replenish helm with alittle bit of replenish gear
even if he ran, he wouldnt have time to replenish vs a strong name locker like yourself ud just chain lock and hunt him down ESP when ALOT of replenish sorcs even op for a 40fcr wand build are you kidding me a shard use chain locking him would
shred him where running simply would not help so

i dont know if im just really good but i dont even understand what build yall are trying to balance because that shit does not work vs me

merry xmas ill take a friendly responds if you dont mind carrying on the conversation if you dont want to thats fine or even if you want to pm me and break down some "unfair match ups" that would be cool too but i dont think im going to see them as unfair and in most cases i think im going to want to prefer to be the weaker player in the situations

edit oh i forgot one more thing it also changes best in slot items and the prices of items and in a way, scams people imo because you have people buying really expensive "limited gear" with the wrong stats on them
such as Faster hit recovery, that is actually 100% useless and those players think its good and going to make their char strong but its really the farthest from the truth and people post " best svs gear " but tbh alot of stuff eurp posts i would never ever use even the stuff i see them post on original diablo because of their rule sets they have gone for different gear entirely thats not good and would get destroyed by an east sorc not because an east sorc is better im not saying their better but just because their gear is better its almost like yall selling shit gear for high price lol <3

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Quote
look
the best players in the world on east always been known
the best players in the world from eurp always been known also

but we have always been seperated east and eurp were never able to log onto each others realms until D2R




thats why i would love to see a ladder to see how we battle xD
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thats why i would love to see a ladder to see how we battle xD


it actually doesnt even come down to rules or no rules, what it comes down to is lat, the format people bvb in where they are swapping realms might seem like it would work for svs too but i do not think it will
meaning the lag is to great to have a competitve svs with a eurp/east player either east or eurp would lag on the others realm

and there already is a svs ladder

the top 50 sorceress on the top of the d2r ladder are all my sorceress <3 as it has been for the last 50 years jk :) <3 sort of.....

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it actually doesnt even come down to rules or no rules, what it comes down to is lat, the format people bvb in where they are swapping realms might seem like it would work for svs too but i do not think it will
meaning the lag is to great to have a competitve svs with a eurp/east player either east or eurp would lag on the others realm

and there already is a svs ladder

the top 50 sorceress on the top of the d2r ladder are all my sorceress <3 as it has been for the last 50 years jk :) <3 sort of.....


which svs ladder u mean ?
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other realms were dead as fuck compared to east there might have been private groups on other realms but east thrived with lists of public games and much much bigger player base
while other realms were very dead looking like D2R is these days

" balance the pvp " this is the problem exactally you think a player putting on hotspurs silences a fireball sorc but it doesnt misconseption from
weaker user, fireballer gets beat by hotspurs sorc and cries balance, but we could switch the rolls and i will murder that hotspurs sorc for all their forum gold

im god name lock? chain lock telipop, you say eurp was better but, i beat ever west asia and eurp player i ever dueled? ive dueled eurp already
and they all lost, and im a legit user? you talk about hacks, but i kill hackers, hacks dont work vs me just like hotspurs wont my character assend
past TMC/AA people using FHR HACKS like TMC, yall kids trying to match fhr of fhr hacked users while im over here 0 fhr going "replenish" being 1 step up
on hackers

and most sorceress from east really didnt do that either most players from east still used fhr that was a very few people who understand why fhr sucks

we didnt juv? we didnt lame? only based on skills with mouse and keyboard also you make it sound like we are over here juving in legit gm duels tf

and its funny to me that you think that the replenish sorceress is fleeing LOL im a god user bro these cats CANT EVEN HIT ME WITH AUTOAIM and u think im fleeing?
ive always been the aggressor in duels, you think im fighting hackers and running away from them replenishing? thats not whats happening LMFAO guy i have
some replenish but i actually stack mana over replenish LMFAO i actually kill these "OP" replenish sorceress ur speaking of with mana, why dont you go nerf
mana or put some restrictions on that instead of nerfing a shit stat like replenish that has been losing for the last 50years? mana is undefeated vs replenish
on USEAST but your still stuck on eurp thinking replenish is king/op LMFAO

and by the way when me and a hacker fight i dont run from them and replenish, they run from me, why would i need to run im out healing them and have more life/mana then them LMFAO
wtf would i run for? and even if a player wants to run alittle bit so what im destroying him he needs to run or hes going to stand there and die

and u talking about some selfproclaimed necro blah blah blah idk who u talking about but 2000-2015 i am the best necro user from USEAST

you know what sucks about when i am the best user? i have strong history like duped item, meaning if you were to contact lets say the other top 10 necros or sorceress or etc
they are all going to give me the nod

bro no offense to eurp like while this is a east vs eurp rule thing im actually good friends with eurp players im extremely mannered but honestly bro east users went through
it different honestly i dont think any of the eurp users could beat any of easts like top 15-20 users
pLz-takeaseat yall cant beat kyle from pLz -Random
drewbert-faf yall cant beat drewbert is this drewb? relative unknown in pvp community
mattico from evil yall cant beat these users... this is a random
SZSZ-darktask not even a friend of mine but yall cant beat this player this is a random
Los svs cant remember tag he was actually really strong - never heard of her/random
we had like 4 nicks, nick the fireballer he was a really good user if this is ^tmac- (Winkle) then very few of us know him, if not, total random
tomatocan Jim from pLz/leader total random
Luna and Lady are on a MASSIVE win record in svs a record so great svs died on USEAST lax of winnor - actual randoms
even like dopefiendz_nate yep, another random
or the other nate (forgot other nates tag hes very old school) - and a random

i dont even need to duel because the stronger users on this list eurp cant beat

just wild to me you talk about east players like you dueled them often, when east players never went to eurp(a dead realm) to duel EURP went to east to duel reguardless if u dispute
this or not my point is i have already dueled alot of eurp players which to be fair prolly isnt fair because of lat but it is what it is



no more type ty

current NA svs standings

Current standings in the SvS Ladder.
#1 - Foozermam 🔥
Status: ✅ Available
#2 - Adict ❄️
Status: ✅ Available
#3 - Ohm ⚡
Status: 🌴 Vacation
#4 - Killua ⚡
Status: ❌ Challenge
#5 - tesla ⚡
Status: 🌴 Vacation
#6 - Chanter 🔥
Status: ❌ Challenge
#7 - Fiery 🔥
Status: ✅ Available
#8 - Angela ⚡
Status: ✅ Available
#9 - Mystra 🔥
Status: 🌴 Vacation
#10 - Kiara ❄️
Status: ✅ Available

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Current NA #1 SvS ladder defends

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🥈 #2 @KIN-Fooz
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🥉 #3 @gemmd
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• #4 @
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• #5 @RadiologyGuy
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• #6 @root3
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• #7 iceydicey
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• #8 chairman_netero
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• #10 TheBroodwich
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