Quote (ferdia @ Dec 13 2025 03:59pm)

ye but Belarus is basically an ally of Russia so i dont understand what you are inferring in the bolded. what gives?

Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 12 2025 05:17am)

The cloud of disinformation and totally opaque command is showing how we can descend into utter waste and incompetence
Several hundred troops are dying for nothing. Entirely predictable, entirely preventable, and even after it started unfolding there was every opportunity to arrange a surrender.

There's a few videos of UA soldiers trying to improvise their own white flags and surrender to drones, and at least some Russians are accommodating with recon drones instead of just bombing them, but that's a huge gamble in an eastern european war and I doubt many will escape alive.

https://i.ibb.co/SSP84MF/2bg8e7nl0r6g1.webp

These UA troops have no way out, and never get to even see a Russian. There's nobody on the field in command.
This is the kind of warfare that should not become the norm, its just depraved. At least in the world war 1 meat grinder, someone was taking responsibility and making decisions even if they were often wrong, but here its just utter disregard

Quote (Tommyvv @ Dec 14 2025 08:00am)

''We are Russia's next target.''

This coredogpoop destroyed the Netherlands, and now is ready to destroy the world.

With his no fact based nonsense propaganda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeeOSAmISj8

Quote (ferdia @ 14 Dec 2025 10:53)

We cordially invite anyone to say something nice about Mark Rutte. Please tell us about his common sense, intelligence or ability.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 14 2025 06:34pm)

Just about the only positive thing I can say about him is that he did a decent job holding the fiscally conservative line during EU budget negotiations a couple of years ago, even if the NL are too small and were eventually outvoted.

Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 15 2025 02:23am)

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-berlin-talks-zelenskyy-05c363add7a4a3583f3beada7b1fb775

I can definitely see a near future peace deal being agreed along the path we're headed right now
Zelensky is saying that UA can accept a binding no-NATO pledge, and still pushing back against ceding more territory than status quo
Its definitely something Russia could embrace. The remaining Donbas really isn't that important in the grand scheme, the DMZ would cut into more Russian land but its not critical resource land
I mean Russia could just say okay, freeze along current lines, we'll build "our half of a DMZ" along it and Ukraine can choose whether or not to fortify its side

I think we're really not far off now from UA and RU agreeing to the same terms, which aren't far off the original 28 point plan at all.

Quote (ferdia @ Dec 15 2025 04:15am)

for a moment i thought that the US zig zagging over the last few months, undermining Nato, was for this - to pretend that Nato is not a big deal, in order to get this war ended. but then i fell out of bed and realized no, i cannot apportion intelligence to something far more easily attributed to stupidity.

ultimately, similar to the israeli problem, there is an underlying issue in Ukraine ergo any peace deal will be illusionary, in my opinion. still its noteworthy to see that No Nato is on the doorstep, a great leap in the thread from the early days when certain people were saying it had nothing to do with Nato. i will have to read some of the older posts...