With brevity. The US economy is not shrinking and not contracting, it is not going into a recession, rather it is growing slowly. This factors in yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

Based on what? Vibes?

Trump has refused to release the reports, and you and I both know if they showed strong data, those reports would be plastered on every news cycle for the next month.

GDP Q3 results not released. Q4 probably won't be either. Then he goes live saying that American's are going to have to go with less this year.
Affordability is a democrat hoax as well. Groceries are up, gas is up, utilities are up, healthcare costs are up. Salaries are not up for the LARGE majority of the population below C-Suite and niche tech agencies.

Take AI out of GDP calculations and it will paint a real picture on the economy.

The country is being gutted from the inside and sold for parts to the highest bidder, and the population is going to suffer. Share-holders will do fine, or be bailed out like they always are.

Based on current data, and regardless of politics, the US is not heading toward a recession by most standard economic metrics. If you want a discussion of the long-term damage caused by US government and political establishment decisions, or future forecasts, I’m happy to get into that. But as things stand, a near-term recession is not on the cards. For its size, the US is not densely populated — especially compared to India, China, or Europe — with vast regions sparsely populated. This creates favorable conditions for certain types of manufacturing. It also continues to benefit from dollar dominance, and tariffs are, for now, generating short-term fiscal and (internal) political gains.

US actions against Venezuela is nothing new. What Washington frames as sanctions, asset control, or enforcement of “international law” would be labelled theft or piracy if carried out by a weaker state. These actions marginally benefit the US economically. Western media largely avoids moral scrutiny when the US does this, treating it as normal or legal behavior — a double standard it has normalized over decades.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 14 2025 03:51am

It's growing back from historical all time lows now? When will homes be more affordable than Great Depression era?

no time soon. i said the economy was growing, i did not say the standard of living was improving.

What data are you referring to? They've not released GDP reports since Q2 and Q2 is doing some HEAVY lifting on the average for the year. Q1 was abysmal and they just bailed out farmers at tax payers cost, despite them creating this conflict.

I'll have to take this to a different thread so as to not divert from the original talking point.

You didn't cite any sources to be fair.

he implied not to response in the topic, which is why i didnt respond.

The economic numbers are cherry picked, molested and lately withheld. CPI for example excludes key commodities vital to a household. The clear value tax YouTube many watch highlights the two competing economies. A month ago he had an episode on the Fed have a dichotomy between bolstering the economy for laborers or bolstering it for investments. The economic pretty picture painting is on behalf of the investors.

Unfortunately, the reality is the economy encapsulates the working. Here was a chat bot trying to crunch the numbers I mentioned. Can go back further, but datasets are different in the FED tax and census.


Maybe a slight pull back in the trend.

Historical Ratios (Selected Years with Available Data)
Year
Median Income (Nominal ( )
Median Home Price (Nominal ))
Ratio (Income / Price)
Notes/Sources
1940
N/A
2,938
N/A
Home value from Census decennial; income data not available as median household/family.
1947
3,000
N/A
N/A
Median family income from Census.
1950
3,300
7,354
0.45
Median family income approximated from Census reports (interpolated from 1947 and 1953 data).
1960
5,600
11,900
0.47
Median family income approximated from Census.
1963
6,200
17,800
0.35
Median family income from Census; home price from Census/HUD new houses sold.
1966
7,400
22,500
0.33
Median family income from Census.
1967
8,000
24,600
0.33
Median household income from Census.
1970
8,730
23,400
0.37
Median household income from Census.
1980
17,710
64,600
0.27
Median household income from Census.
1990
29,943
122,900
0.24
Median household income from Census.
2000
41,990
169,000
0.25
Median household income from Census.
2020
68,010
330,900
0.21
Median household income from Census.
2021
70,780
383,500
0.18
Median household income from Census.
2022
74,580
434,500
0.17
Median household income from Census.
2023
80,610
428,600
0.19
Median household income from Census.
2024
83,730
420,300
0.20

Yup
Huge fleet ordered to blockade Venezuela
They are 100% getting invaded

Perfect epstein distraction

This post was edited by Bruv on Dec 16 2025 10:18pm