His phys dmg is almost non-existent, so I don't think going for amp would be of much use.

You get physical damage off the eth pb. Its similar to grief when amp procs.

Yah, this is offline though, haven't found a Stormlash yet

You can't upgrade eth runeword bases, and PB dont spawn as eth.

Read the entire thread then reevaluate your comment

Have read it.
A eth fool's pb with 55 ias is maximum half base damage of grief pb, it does not ignore enemy defense, it does not subtract 25% def, it does not add secondary soc for LO unless you spend 100-200k fg++++++, and does not add damage to demons.
On top of that you wanted to drop highlord (34% deadly strike) since you no longer needed that ias.
I will admit that a 5ctc% amp could be relevant and maby even perform better than grief, but that would probarly be within the pricerange of 300-400k fg to kill some monsters...

So either you use grief for physical damage, or you use crescent moon for static and -res or you use stormlash for static, direct light damage and crushing blow. A rare cannot bear any of theese.

This post was edited by gel87 on Dec 13 2025 06:23am

Or you use a 55ias pb and able to tp a frame faster while maintaining the 72ias bp. I gotten a eth amped fools pb 50ias for less than 20k. Diablo is a big game with lots of options. Being closed minded is the worst way to approach this game imo.

Also your comment says you can't upgrade eth runeword bases and then you reevaluated your comment.

This post was edited by tradesfordays613 on Dec 13 2025 10:51am

I dont understand the thing in red. That comment is still the same, not edited flag etc.

Well, there are many forms of eth fools's ctc amp pb's. 0 to 300% ed, 50ias require 1 socet, so yes you can find cheap. But if it's going to perform better than grief you need some good stats on it.

So lets get technical, his gear:

Dream helm
Dream shield
Enigma/Forti - We going to assume Enigma
Gores
Highlord's - Your pb setup was to use fcr ammu for more fcr
Raven
Leech ring
Arach if tele, SoE if not - We going to assume Arach
LoH
Lightning sunder <--- Does not matter for physical damage part, but the Highlord helps stack its negative effects.
Usual inventory stuff <---- Not specified, so ignored.

Grief PB 15ed/400/40ias to keep it simple
vs
Eth fool's pb 5ctc amp, 300ed, 40ias, 1 soc (we keep it simple and "affordable") socet with a 40ed/15ias jool.

Grief wepon damage: 435-440 with (185 damage to demons and 20% deadly strike)
Fool's pb wepon damage: 202-277 (5 ctc amp)

zeal bonus: 390% ED
Strenght bonus: 139 ED

Grief physical damage:
437,5*(1+((390+139)/100))*(1+(72/100)) = 4733
Vs demons: 437,5*(1+((390+139+185+350)/100))*(1+(72/100)) = 8759

Fool's physical damage:
239,5*(1+((390+139)/100))*(1+(15/100)) = 1732
Vs demons: 239,5*(1+((390+139+350)/100))*(1+(15/100)) = 2696

How much does amp help? Well its very different depending on enemy DR%.

So lets say 25% DR:
Damage * (1-(DR%/100))
AMP = -100% DR

Grief:
4733 * (1-(25/100)) = 3549 vs all
4759 * (1-(25/100)) = 6569 vs demons

Fools:
1732 * (1-(25/100)) = 1299 vs all NONE AMP
1732 * (1-(-75/100)) = 3031 vs all amped
2696 * (1-(25/100)) = 2022 Vs Demons NONE AMP
2696 * (1-(-75/100)) = 4718 Vs demons amped

As you can see, grief wins all scenarios.

Maxroll link to what i used in example. (just to get skills ed, str etc)
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/xy57e004

If full max damage charms, Perfect 2 soc with added min/max effects as well as LO rune and highlord in use. Well then fools may win...
So i will do that scenario as well:

Fools, 340ed, 20min, 55ias, 5ctc amp, 20% deadly strike (220-277, 248,5 average)
Max damage scs, well lets say: 7 x 10max gcs to make it simple. (283,5 average total)

Fool's physical damage:
283,5*(1+((390+139)/100))*(1+(72/100)) = 3067 ////// Vs 25% DR = 2300 ////// Vs -75% DR = 5367
Vs demons: 283,5*(1+((390+139+350)/100))*(1+(72/100)) = 4773 /////// Vs 25% DR = 3580 /////// Vs -75% DR = 8354

Grief physical damage(472,5 average) :
472,5*(1+((390+139)/100))*(1+(72/100)) = 5111 ///// Vs 25% DR = 3833
Vs demons: 472,5*(1+((390+139+185+350)/100))*(1+(72/100)) = 9459 /////// Vs 25% DR = 7094

So yes, if 100% perfect PB, and also use Highlord on PB and enemy is amped, then PB wins.
PB ofc wins vs physical immune monsters^^

Edit due to I forgot to change from 15% ds to 72% DS in excel sheet xD

This post was edited by gel87 on Dec 15 2025 09:36am

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