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Dec 12 2025 01:09pm
Massive decline? Riiiiiiight 😂


Let me guess, you hate Trump? America sucks, etc. As a result?


Let me guess you think the prices on everything have been going down the past 8 to 10 months?
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Let me guess you think the prices on everything have been going down the past 8 to 10 months?


Just say you're broke next time.
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Dec 12 2025 01:31pm
To be clear tho there's a lot of hypocrisy going around. The US is mad so stopped buying their oil, Venezuela is claiming the USA didnt give them enough money even when they did buy it, Venezuelans are saying the govt didn't give the people enough of the money even tho they're faux communists and all of that should be redistributed.

all of it really rings of like an old timey fable. a group of people find a priceless object, but it brings whomever possesses it nothing but misfortune. Venezuala sits atop the world's largest proven oil reserves, it's the world's largest black gold mine, and yet no one can just drill it, sell it, and make the people of the nation happy.


For decades, U.S. companies controlled Venezuelan oil and profited massively while Venezuela got very little. This is fact. When Venezuela asserted independence under ChĂĄvez and later Maduro, the U.S. used sanctions and trade restrictions (they literally told the rest of the world not to buy from Venezuela - similar to how the US told the world not to buy from Russia) to punish them (or puppet regime them) and protect its control. Historically, this is how the US has taken care of its interests - by using bullying tactics. In this case the US bought Venezuelan oil at contracts that heavily favored themselves. Venezuela often received a fraction of the value while the bulk of profits went abroad.

The same thing is happening in Africa right now where they are kicking off their leash - from France. This is one of the reasons why France is long term fubar - they are getting less of wealth from those they have been stealing it from for decades. So back to Venezuela - decades of economic exploitation. The usual narrative is to bash said government but in this case the Venezuelan government inherited an economy heavily dependent on oil, which was largely controlled by foreign powers. When Chávez tried to redistribute wealth, the U.S. and other countries applied pressure that limited what could be spent domestically. How messed up is that? So it’s not only “faux communism” — it’s a government trying to manage an economy under constant foreign coercion/threat. Venezuela has the world’s largest oil reserves, yet decades of foreign control, economic sanctions, and political pressure from the US have made it almost impossible for the wealth to benefit ordinary citizens. That’s why the story of “priceless black gold” fits — it’s wealth under siege, not simple greed or mismanagement. By all accounts Venezuela is a mess, just like Iran is a mess, but they were doing just fine until someone came along and tried to rob them.

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For decades, U.S. companies controlled Venezuelan oil and profited massively while Venezuela got very little. This is fact. When Venezuela asserted independence under ChĂĄvez and later Maduro, the U.S. used sanctions and trade restrictions (they literally told the rest of the world not to buy from Venezuela - similar to how the US told the world not to buy from Russia) to punish them (or puppet regime them) and protect its control. Historically, this is how the US has taken care of its interests - by using bullying tactics. In this case the US bought Venezuelan oil at contracts that heavily favored themselves. Venezuela often received a fraction of the value while the bulk of profits went abroad.

The same thing is happening in Africa right now where they are kicking off their leash - from France. This is one of the reasons why France is long term fubar - they are getting less of wealth from those they have been stealing it from for decades. So back to Venezuela - decades of economic exploitation. The usual narrative is to bash said government but in this case the Venezuelan government inherited an economy heavily dependent on oil, which was largely controlled by foreign powers. When Chávez tried to redistribute wealth, the U.S. and other countries applied pressure that limited what could be spent domestically. How messed up is that? So it’s not only “faux communism” — it’s a government trying to manage an economy under constant foreign coercion/threat. Venezuela has the world’s largest oil reserves, yet decades of foreign control, economic sanctions, and political pressure from the US have made it almost impossible for the wealth to benefit ordinary citizens. That’s why the story of “priceless black gold” fits — it’s wealth under siege, not simple greed or mismanagement. By all accounts Venezuela is a mess, just like Iran is a mess, but they were doing just fine until someone came along and tried to rob them.


I dont disagree with any of this, but would just add they were doing fine before intervention because they werent important enough to be intervened. venezuala was irrelevant on a global scale outside of oil, and they still would be without oil. they lack the tourist potential many of their neighbors have, even if the country wasnt a mess it wouldnt be a resort nation. not totally dissimilar to Iran. many other arab nations have developed economies outside of oil, iran hasnt, venezuala hasnt. i dont think intervention helped that, at all, but it certainly isnt the sole cause either.
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I dont disagree with any of this, but would just add they were doing fine before intervention because they werent important enough to be intervened. venezuala was irrelevant on a global scale outside of oil, and they still would be without oil. they lack the tourist potential many of their neighbors have, even if the country wasnt a mess it wouldnt be a resort nation. not totally dissimilar to Iran. many other arab nations have developed economies outside of oil, iran hasnt, venezuala hasnt. i dont think intervention helped that, at all, but it certainly isnt the sole cause either.


in fairness the developments on the Russian assets being seized by the EU is for me, a european, a much bigger story. I wont even see the full ramifications in my lifetime, the EU literally just jumped off a cliff with no parachute. sorry for O/T.

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in fairness the developments on the Russian assets being seized by the EU is for me, a european, a much bigger story. I wont even see the full ramifications in my lifetime, the EU literally just jumped off a cliff with no parachute.


Same goes for me, seizing assets hurt investment in american treasuries, and will continue to make debt worse.
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Dec 12 2025 03:58pm
Anyone who thinks the US economy is doing good needs to take their schizo meds.

GDP is basically growing at an interest rate year over year the last several years. This equates to stagnation because the inflation numbers are either equivalent or higher.
Debt has outpaced the GDP for years Now
Credit rating has gotten a couple downgrades
Better pray that credit rating doesn't keep going down otherwise they cant borrow to cover budget shortfalls.

The government refuses to release key economic reports
The government refuses to balance the budget
The government refuses to raise taxes on entities that can afford it

Dysfunctional as fuck boi
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Dec 12 2025 04:06pm
Same goes for me, seizing assets hurt investment in american treasuries, and will continue to make debt worse.


Obama in 2011 - lets make China our enemy.

China’s U.S. Treasury Holdings year on year since 2013 - hint - it goes down.

2013 ~$1.316 trillion
2014 ~1.27 trillion
2015 ~1.27 trillion
2016 ~1.24 trillion
2017 ~1.15 trillion
2018 ~1.11 trillion
2019 ~1.07 trillion
2020 ~938 billion
2021 ~834 billion
2022 ~780 billion
2023 ~780–770
2024 ~759 billion
2025 ~700–760 billion

if you thought that was bad enough, europe went one further this week. Europe can expect the rest of the planet to drop them like a hot potato after stealing Russia's deposits. and we are not talking about a paltry 210 billion in Russia assets, we are talking about 40 trillion which is not even the total in deposits in europe. thats 40 million million (40,000,000,000,000).

lets segway back on topic - Which leads us directly to Venezuela, another case study in how U.S. strategic pressure often triggers long-term blowback rather than compliance.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 12 2025 04:11pm
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Dec 12 2025 04:18pm
Anyone who thinks the US economy is doing good needs to take their schizo meds.

GDP is basically growing at an interest rate year over year the last several years. This equates to stagnation because the inflation numbers are either equivalent or higher.
Debt has outpaced the GDP for years Now
Credit rating has gotten a couple downgrades
Better pray that credit rating doesn't keep going down otherwise they cant borrow to cover budget shortfalls.

The government refuses to release key economic reports
The government refuses to balance the budget
The government refuses to raise taxes on entities that can afford it

Dysfunctional as fuck boi


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