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Dec 8 2025 10:25am
there are so many things happening right now, its very difficult to predict the next 2-3 months. The US relationship with Europe appears to be fracturing. Well, the US relationship with the entire world appears to be fracturing. It really is quite remarkable.

there are also more and more fake channels / disinformation channels popping up.

also just saw this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o8MUFjGkXg


What exactly do you expect to happen, given that there are so many things happening right now? Even more things or something special?
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Dec 8 2025 10:46am
What exactly do you expect to happen, given that there are so many things happening right now? Even more things or something special?


no idea.

there are some things that can be guessed. but sometimes things happen too fast to guess what happens next.
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Dec 8 2025 10:55am
no idea.

there are some things that can be guessed. but sometimes things happen too fast to guess what happens next.


Oh, come on! What about the things that can be guessed, like you said, and the whole area of guessing regarding those that have been happening so fast lately?
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Oh, come on! What about the things that can be guessed, like you said, and the whole area of guessing regarding those that have been happening so fast lately?


I guess i need to think about this. will mull over it later.
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Dec 8 2025 01:46pm
Siversk on verge of falling. Area of the front that was static for years now all the sudden collapsing in a matter of weeks. This is what people that highlight minimal gains over x amount of years fail to realize. Once the defender becomes depleted, territorial losses accelerate. I don't think the war is at critical levels for Ukraine yet but a few more years and you could have the Russians swallowing everything east of the Dnieper in a relatively fast manner.

https://x.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1998018290606821886

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Siversk on verge of falling. Area of the front that was static for years now all the sudden collapsing in a matter of weeks. This is what people that highlight minimal gains over x amount of years fail to realize. Once the defender becomes depleted, territorial losses accelerate. I don't think the war is at critical levels for Ukraine yet but a few more years and you could have the Russians swallowing everything east of the Dnieper in a relatively fast manner.

https://x.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1998018290606821886


not a question of If but a question of When.
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Dec 9 2025 08:32am
orcs still find time to commit atrocities on another continent

DOUANKARA, Mauritania (AP) — A new Russian military unit that replaced the Wagner mercenary group is carrying out abuses including rapes and beheadings as it teams up with Mali ‘s military to hunt down extremists, dozens of civilians who fled the fighting have told The Associated Press.

The Africa Corps is using the same tactics as Wagner, the refugees said, in accounts not reported by international media until now. Two refugees showed videos of villages burned by the “white men.” Two others said they found bodies of loved ones with liver and kidneys missing, an abuse the AP previously reported around Wagner.

“It’s a scorched-earth policy,” said a Malian village chief who fled. “The soldiers speak to no one. Anyone they see, they shoot. No questions, no warning. People don’t even know why they are being killed.”

West Africa’s vast Sahel region has become the deadliest place in the world for extremism, with thousands of people killed. The military governments of Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger have turned from Western allies to Russia for help combating the fighters affiliated with al-Qaida or the Islamic State group.

When the Africa Corps replaced Wagner six months ago, weary civilians hoped for less brutality. The United Nations says they have been abused by all sides in the conflict.

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orcs still find time to commit atrocities on another continent

DOUANKARA, Mauritania (AP) — A new Russian military unit that replaced the Wagner mercenary group is carrying out abuses including rapes and beheadings as it teams up with Mali ‘s military to hunt down extremists, dozens of civilians who fled the fighting have told The Associated Press.

The Africa Corps is using the same tactics as Wagner, the refugees said, in accounts not reported by international media until now. Two refugees showed videos of villages burned by the “white men.” Two others said they found bodies of loved ones with liver and kidneys missing, an abuse the AP previously reported around Wagner.

“It’s a scorched-earth policy,” said a Malian village chief who fled. “The soldiers speak to no one. Anyone they see, they shoot. No questions, no warning. People don’t even know why they are being killed.”

West Africa’s vast Sahel region has become the deadliest place in the world for extremism, with thousands of people killed. The military governments of Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger have turned from Western allies to Russia for help combating the fighters affiliated with al-Qaida or the Islamic State group.

When the Africa Corps replaced Wagner six months ago, weary civilians hoped for less brutality. The United Nations says they have been abused by all sides in the conflict.


The Russian military has been a particularly rapey bunch for over a hundred years. How could anyone expect any different? Also note that the recruitment pressure from the Ukraine war means that Russia can only afford to send the worst of the worst to Africa. Men who are either so incompetent or such violent psychos that they can't use them in Ukraine.

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orcs still find time to commit atrocities on another continent

DOUANKARA, Mauritania (AP) — A new Russian military unit that replaced the Wagner mercenary group is carrying out abuses including rapes and beheadings as it teams up with Mali ‘s military to hunt down extremists, dozens of civilians who fled the fighting have told The Associated Press.

The Africa Corps is using the same tactics as Wagner, the refugees said, in accounts not reported by international media until now. Two refugees showed videos of villages burned by the “white men.” Two others said they found bodies of loved ones with liver and kidneys missing, an abuse the AP previously reported around Wagner.

“It’s a scorched-earth policy,” said a Malian village chief who fled. “The soldiers speak to no one. Anyone they see, they shoot. No questions, no warning. People don’t even know why they are being killed.”

West Africa’s vast Sahel region has become the deadliest place in the world for extremism, with thousands of people killed. The military governments of Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger have turned from Western allies to Russia for help combating the fighters affiliated with al-Qaida or the Islamic State group.

When the Africa Corps replaced Wagner six months ago, weary civilians hoped for less brutality. The United Nations says they have been abused by all sides in the conflict.


Sorry, Western allies? Are you able to accept that these entities you call Western allies exploited these African nations’ natural resources for decades? You mention al-Qaida or the Islamic State - these groups were created or empowered indirectly by Western actions, including military interventions, over the last few decades.

The Russian military has been a particularly rapey bunch for over a hundred years. How could anyone expect any different? Also note that the recruitment pressure from the Ukraine war means that Russia can only afford to send the worst of the worst to Africa. Men who are either so incompetent or such violent psychos that they can't use them in Ukraine.


There’s no doubt that this region in Africa is extremely violent and atrocities are happening. But labeling the Russian military as “barbarians,” “orcs,” or inherently evil is exactly the same kind of childish generalization of the Palestinians we see in the Israeli thread. Reality is more complex, and such sweeping statements aren’t supported by facts. Be that as it may I accept that the notion of collective punishment and collective branding is in vogue, so carry on.

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Sorry, Western allies? Are you able to accept that these entities you call Western allies exploited these African nations’ natural resources for decades? You mention al-Qaida or the Islamic State - these groups were created or empowered indirectly by Western actions, including military interventions, over the last few decades.



There’s no doubt that this region in Africa is extremely violent and atrocities are happening. But labeling all Russians as “barbarians,” “orcs,” or inherently evil is exactly the same kind of childish generalization we see in the Israeli thread. Reality is more complex, and such sweeping statements aren’t supported by facts. Be that as it may I accept that the notion of collective punishment and collective branding is in vogue, so carry on.


Why would I deny western colonial atrocities? These were in the distant past but that doesnt diminish their long lasting consequences. I didn't exactly shed a tear when the queen died.

Re extremists in the middle east, I dont place the fault for that at the hands of the west or the russians even if they were influential in the region. Those people have their own set of problems with culture and religion in the area and there is more to them than simply being pawns of the west or far east
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