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Dec 4 2025 04:45am
I do not agree. My argument is that Europe is locked in. The institutional structure of the EU means it cannot pivot quickly, nor reverse course without unanimity - and unanimity is practically unreachable. We speak as though war is a choice, yet no one is even talking to Russia. Instead we recycle the comfortable narrative of “Russia is the enemy,” which neatly removes the burden of diplomacy. What the last three years show is not momentum toward negotiation, but inertia toward continuation. There is no steering wheel, no emergency brake. We are not on a road - we are running downhill, and gravity is now doing most of the work. History tells us wars don’t begin when people want them - they begin when no one can stop them.


Let's see when they run out of Ukrainians to throw at the Russians. Then you'll have your answer.
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Dec 4 2025 05:30am
Let's see when they run out of Ukrainians to throw at the Russians. Then you'll have your answer.


Whites killing whites is what it is all about.
There is a cold genocide to get rid of us, but done in a way to prevent most from noticing so we dont fight against it like we did in WWII.
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Dec 4 2025 06:43am
Whites killing whites is what it is all about.
There is a cold genocide to get rid of us, but done in a way to prevent most from noticing so we dont fight against it like we did in WWII.


This. It’s even more horrifying the more I think about it
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Dec 4 2025 06:49am
In February 2022, representatives of the charitable foundation "Childhood Without War" evacuated Ukrainian orphans from Dnipro to Turkey.

The foundation chartered nine planes to transport the children from Romania.

In March 2022, the children and their caregivers settled at the "Larisa" hotel in Antalya.

The food given to the children differed from that provided to the staff: while the children ate bulgur with chicken gizzards, the staff received potatoes with meat.

Seven children reported periodic moves to new hotels, where the living conditions deteriorated each time.

The organizers claimed that about ten million dollars were spent on the project.

The children were repeatedly involved in fundraising for the project.

The "Childhood Without War" foundation's page features numerous calls for donations for the evacuated children.

The orphans reported being forced to constantly film for the camera.

The children were made to perform for adults—singing and dancing—and if they refused, they were punished by having their phones and food taken away.

The Office of the Ukrainian Parliament Commissioner for Human Rights traveled to Turkey to inspect the orphans' living conditions.

The report documented violations of the children's rights, as well as psychological and sexual abuse.

Two pregnancies of underage girls and instances of coercion to participate in the project's video shoots were uncovered.

A 15-year-old and a 17-year-old girl returned from Turkey pregnant by adult Turkish men who worked at the hotel.

The caregivers were aware of attempts by adult Turkish men to "contact" the underage Ukrainian girls but did not intervene.

After the pregnancies were discovered, the girls were sent back to Ukraine to study at a vocational school.

For this project, its organizer, Ruslan Shostak, received a state award—the Order of Merit, III class—a decree for which was signed by Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
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Dec 4 2025 06:55am
In February 2022, representatives of the charitable foundation "Childhood Without War" evacuated Ukrainian orphans from Dnipro to Turkey.

The foundation chartered nine planes to transport the children from Romania.

In March 2022, the children and their caregivers settled at the "Larisa" hotel in Antalya.

The food given to the children differed from that provided to the staff: while the children ate bulgur with chicken gizzards, the staff received potatoes with meat.

Seven children reported periodic moves to new hotels, where the living conditions deteriorated each time.

The organizers claimed that about ten million dollars were spent on the project.

The children were repeatedly involved in fundraising for the project.

The "Childhood Without War" foundation's page features numerous calls for donations for the evacuated children.

The orphans reported being forced to constantly film for the camera.

The children were made to perform for adults—singing and dancing—and if they refused, they were punished by having their phones and food taken away.

The Office of the Ukrainian Parliament Commissioner for Human Rights traveled to Turkey to inspect the orphans' living conditions.

The report documented violations of the children's rights, as well as psychological and sexual abuse.

Two pregnancies of underage girls and instances of coercion to participate in the project's video shoots were uncovered.

A 15-year-old and a 17-year-old girlreturned from Turkey pregnant by adult Turkish men who worked at the hotel.

The caregivers were aware of attempts by adult Turkish men to "contact" the underage Ukrainian girls but did not intervene.

After the pregnancies were discovered, the girls were sent back to Ukraine to study at a vocational school.

For this project, its organizer, Ruslan Shostak, received a state award—the Order of Merit, III class—a decree for which was signed by Volodymyr Zelenskyy.


Can’t wait for the “they were going to be raped by orcs anyway” arguments by local morons who have their own “views”
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Dec 4 2025 07:04am
This. It’s even more horrifying the more I think about it


Have faith, the great noticing is occurring as we speak.
Once enough realize what is going on and by whom, we can change it with ease.
Assuming there is enough of us left to do so.
There is now, but the window is closing rapidly.
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Dec 4 2025 07:05am
Can’t wait for the “they were going to be raped by orcs anyway” arguments by local morons who have their own “views”


Arabian nights
Like Arabian days
More often than not
Are hotter than hot
"In a lot of good ways".
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Dec 4 2025 07:08am
Have faith, the great noticing is occurring as we speak.
Once enough realize what is going on and by whom, we can change it with ease.
Assuming there is enough of us left to do so.
There is now, but the window is closing rapidly.


I understand exactly what you mean.
Arabian nights
Like Arabian days
More often than not
Are hotter than hot
"In a lot of good ways".


First Aladdin, if I’m not mistaken?
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Dec 4 2025 07:13am
I understand exactly what you mean.


First Aladdin, if I’m not mistaken?


The original plan was to call this deviant affair by the established Russian term "Eastern Fairy Tale," but it would have been unclear to most.

This post was edited by Norlander on Dec 4 2025 07:14am
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Dec 4 2025 07:16am
Let's see when they run out of Ukrainians to throw at the Russians. Then you'll have your answer.


Apart from trying regime change at the start of the war, Russia has made no attempt, or statement, or taken any action, which would suggest that Russia is planning now, or in the future, to invade all of Ukraine. The population of Ukraine is around 39? million. Ukraine has not lowered the conscription age. Therefore, there will ALWAYS be a Western Ukraine, and with such a population, ignoring all the false narratives and propaganda, Ukraine can hold out, literally, for years. What that means is that we will fast forward to 5 years from now and things will either be the same(unlikely) or worse(likely).

I hope everyone is comfortable because this is going to be a long long time.

I welcome any opposing views from anyone.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 4 2025 07:18am
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