i think it has less to do with being All In, and more to do with overly sensitive people obsessed with optics. they're more concerned with media coverage that might make them look weak or bad than they are human lives.
if the USA walked away from the negotiating table and said "ok you guys figure it out", we'd either see another nation come in as an intermediary like France or Germany. Or we'd see Ukraine and the UK take up negotiations themselves. they're using the USA as a crutch to negotiate on their behalf, so they can look like tough guys who cant be asked to be seen with Putin.
No, France or Germany or any European nation can not do that, i explained previously why - EU foreign policy needs all 27 euro states to agree, before they talk to Russia. thats why they all hate Orban in Hungary at the moment because he is unilaterally talking to Russia. When Angela Merkel (germany) was in office she wanted a summit to discuss the Ukraine issue with Russia. Poland and the Baltic states vetoed that. They vetoed an attempt to prevent the war from happening. As I said before, europe is the titanic, moving under its own inertia. it cant turn away from the ice berg as to do so needs 27 states to agree to turn, and Poland and Co. wont agree to negotiate with Russia.
Ukraine also will not back pedal on their position, they are locked in (no negotiations, no talks) and to give land would be seen as a betrayal.
China would be the obvious country to step in
again to try to broker a peace deal but the US would probably derail that. Ultimately it is looking more and more likely that more of Ukraine will be swallowed up. WW3 remains on the table im afraid. On the news today they were openly talking about europe going to war with Russia.
This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 2 2025 12:26pm