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The intelligence had existed since 2014, but intelligence without proper context is meaningless. As someone who served in a special unit, I know that raw information alone is not enough. It must be interpreted correctly within the strategic reality of the moment.

At the time, Hamas had a clear pattern of behavior. In the previous conflict with Islamic Jihad, Hamas actively worked to calm the situation and chose not to enter the fighting. That created an operational assumption that Hamas was prioritizing stability over escalation.

Because of that, reports indicating an attack did not fit the established behavior model. The warning signs existed, but without consistent supporting actions, they did not trigger a conclusion that a large scale offensive was imminent. In hindsight, this was a critical misreading of intent rather than a total intelligence failure.


Yeah it's kind of hard to predict such kind of attack according to the let's say their normal behavior. Pretty sure this kind of incidents won't happen anymore and secret services will be more cautious.
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Nov 30 2025 12:18pm
The intelligence had existed since 2014, but intelligence without proper context is meaningless. As someone who served in a special unit, I know that raw information alone is not enough. It must be interpreted correctly within the strategic reality of the moment.

At the time, Hamas had a clear pattern of behavior. In the previous conflict with Islamic Jihad, Hamas actively worked to calm the situation and chose not to enter the fighting. That created an operational assumption that Hamas was prioritizing stability over escalation.

Because of that, reports indicating an attack did not fit the established behavior model. The warning signs existed, but without consistent supporting actions, they did not trigger a conclusion that a large scale offensive was imminent. In hindsight, this was a critical misreading of intent rather than a total intelligence failure.


tbh this is well said.
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Nov 30 2025 10:21pm
tbh this is well said.


Not really he just twists the situation to his benefit.
Hamas a terror organization which stated goal is to eradicate israel worked actively to clam the situation down.. It's just utter nonsense and a complete deflection of the core issue. This line that hamas is a terror organization has been his excuse for israel to slaugther 70k civilians but somehow when it's time to look inward and find fault in his own governments actions LIKE WHY THEY WERE SUPPORTING THAT VERY SAME ORGANIZATION then they showed calm behavior.. right. Let's not forget they were fighting intensely in 2021 after israel announced new settlements in west bank.

Also surprise surprise Israel invaded syria again and continues their atrocities
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/28/israeli-forces-syrians-clash-in-damascus-countryside-casualties-reported
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Nov 30 2025 10:51pm
The intelligence had existed since 2014, but intelligence without proper context is meaningless. As someone who served in a special unit, I know that raw information alone is not enough. It must be interpreted correctly within the strategic reality of the moment.

At the time, Hamas had a clear pattern of behavior. In the previous conflict with Islamic Jihad, Hamas actively worked to calm the situation and chose not to enter the fighting. That created an operational assumption that Hamas was prioritizing stability over escalation.

Because of that, reports indicating an attack did not fit the established behavior model. The warning signs existed, but without consistent supporting actions, they did not trigger a conclusion that a large scale offensive was imminent. In hindsight, this was a critical misreading of intent rather than a total intelligence failure.


You are former idf ?
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You are former idf ?


Yes
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Not really he just twists the situation to his benefit.
Hamas a terror organization which stated goal is to eradicate israel worked actively to clam the situation down.. It's just utter nonsense and a complete deflection of the core issue. This line that hamas is a terror organization has been his excuse for israel to slaugther 70k civilians but somehow when it's time to look inward and find fault in his own governments actions LIKE WHY THEY WERE SUPPORTING THAT VERY SAME ORGANIZATION then they showed calm behavior.. right. Let's not forget they were fighting intensely in 2021 after israel announced new settlements in west bank.

Also surprise surprise Israel invaded syria again and continues their atrocities
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/28/israeli-forces-syrians-clash-in-damascus-countryside-casualties-reported


You’re confusing ideology with operational behavior, and those aren’t the same thing.

Everyone knows Hamas’s ideology is extreme. That was never in question.
What intelligence looks at is patterns of action, not slogans.

Fact: In several escalation rounds, Hamas stayed out while Islamic Jihad fought alone, including in 2019 and 2022.
Fact: Hamas actively enforced calm in Gaza during some of those rounds.
Because of that, Hamas was assessed as deterrable at the time.

That doesn’t mean Hamas changed its goals.
It means their timing and risk appetite were misread.

That’s an intelligence failure, not a moral argument.

And the claim that “Israel supported Hamas” is lazy framing.
Allowing Qatari money into Gaza was a containment policy to reduce pressure, not “support”. Many inside Israel opposed it.

About 2021: the war was triggered by rockets on Jerusalem following Al Aqsa tensions and internal Palestinian politics, not “new settlements”.

If you want to debate politics, fine.
But don’t rewrite intelligence analysis into a slogan fight.
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Not really he just twists the situation to his benefit.
Hamas a terror organization which stated goal is to eradicate israel worked actively to clam the situation down.. It's just utter nonsense and a complete deflection of the core issue. This line that hamas is a terror organization has been his excuse for israel to slaugther 70k civilians but somehow when it's time to look inward and find fault in his own governments actions LIKE WHY THEY WERE SUPPORTING THAT VERY SAME ORGANIZATION then they showed calm behavior.. right. Let's not forget they were fighting intensely in 2021 after israel announced new settlements in west bank.

Also surprise surprise Israel invaded syria again and continues their atrocities
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/28/israeli-forces-syrians-clash-in-damascus-countryside-casualties-reported


That’s another theory that is very hard to counter since there is ofc some truth in it since Israel did support Gaza or Hamas if you please as the governor of Gaza.
The narrative I believe in goes as follows -
The beliefs of Netanyahu and not only Netanyahu was that if Gaza is better off financially than Israel will be better off
That’s why the “support for Hamas” happened in the first place.
And I would like to point out, that external support to Gaza as in donations, UN, Israel , Qatar etc etc is sums up to about 20% of Hamas’s economy.
Hamas mainly financed himself through the taxation of Gazans.

That’s pretty much inflates the balloon.
Ofc Israel and the US created Hamas. Hamas was established because the conditions for its creation were fit. Whenever the system is weak or flawed the extremists take's place. All over the world.
Ofc the world and Israel among it supported Hamas (as ruler of Gaza)

So what is exactly the point in your argument ?
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You’re confusing ideology with operational behavior, and those aren’t the same thing.

Everyone knows Hamas’s ideology is extreme. That was never in question.
What intelligence looks at is patterns of action, not slogans.

Fact: In several escalation rounds, Hamas stayed out while Islamic Jihad fought alone, including in 2019 and 2022.
Fact: Hamas actively enforced calm in Gaza during some of those rounds.
Because of that, Hamas was assessed as deterrable at the time.

That doesn’t mean Hamas changed its goals.
It means their timing and risk appetite were misread.

That’s an intelligence failure, not a moral argument.

And the claim that “Israel supported Hamas” is lazy framing.
Allowing Qatari money into Gaza was a containment policy to reduce pressure, not “support”. Many inside Israel opposed it.

About 2021: the war was triggered by rockets on Jerusalem following Al Aqsa tensions and internal Palestinian politics, not “new settlements”.

If you want to debate politics, fine.
But don’t rewrite intelligence analysis into a slogan fight.


That’s another theory that is very hard to counter since there is ofc some truth in it since Israel did support Gaza or Hamas if you please as the governor of Gaza.
The narrative I believe in goes as follows -
The beliefs of Netanyahu and not only Netanyahu was that if Gaza is better off financially than Israel will be better off
That’s why the “support for Hamas” happened in the first place.
And I would like to point out, that external support to Gaza as in donations, UN, Israel , Qatar etc etc is sums up to about 20% of Hamas’s economy.
Hamas mainly financed himself through the taxation of Gazans.

That’s pretty much inflates the balloon.
Ofc Israel and the US created Hamas. Hamas was established because the conditions for its creation were fit. Whenever the system is weak or flawed the extremists take's place. All over the world.
Ofc the world and Israel among it supported Hamas (as ruler of Gaza)

So what is exactly the point in your argument ?



I don't need to say anything else to this except thanks for making my point for me. Israel creates Hamas and funds Hamas and now uses it as an excuse to execute women and children in order to seize more land and work towards their greater israel project. Glad we agree on something.

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I don't need to say anything else to this except thanks for making my point for me. Israel creates Hamas and funds Hamas and now uses it as an excuse to execute women and children in order to seize more land and work towards their greater israel project. Glad we agree on something.


Don’t be a child.
I clearly wrote that the support to Gaza was provided from the theory that if they’ll be better of financially, we could finally advance to somewhere with the Israeli -Palestinian relations.

You insist on this ‘greater Israel’ crap to justify your anti-Israeli narrative. I won’t say anything more in this regard.
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Don’t be a child.
I clearly wrote that the support to Gaza was provided from the theory that if they’ll be better of financially, we could finally advance to somewhere with the Israeli -Palestinian relations.

You insist on this ‘greater Israel’ crap to justify your anti-Israeli narrative. I won’t say anything more in this regard.


I do have an anti israeli narative that's true mainly because i have an anti ethnocatic view on the world. That being said Netanyahu clearly admitted, on tape, that all who was against a two state solution clearly had to support Hamas. So you can do what you want with that genocidal maniac as prime minister but i would suggest turning him over to the hague for an immediate trial for crimes against hummanity and genocide.
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