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Nov 22 2025 11:59am
President Putin gives his opinion on the 28 point peace plan and how it's connected to the Alaska meeting

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Nov 22 2025 01:04pm
afaik the US has given Ukraine 5 days to make a decision 27th Nov. Trump really likes putting people on the spot. lets see what happens. (thursday next).
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Nov 22 2025 01:38pm
Local warmongers say it never happened. They just want as many white Christians to die as possible.

I start to understand ^sirthom more and more.


yup even though the evidence has been out and the calls leaked
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Nov 22 2025 06:09pm
President Putin gives his opinion on the 28 point peace plan and how it's connected to the Alaska meeting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ5Um-h-WSI


Do you have the full speech by any chance?
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Nov 22 2025 06:32pm
Do you have the full speech by any chance?


Only that vid

That youtube channel regularly uploads this kind of stuff also statements from other Russian officials

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Nov 22 2025 06:50pm
Local warmongers say it never happened. They just want as many white Christians to die as possible.

I start to understand ^sirthom more and more.


100 years ago we was 30+% of global pop.
Today we are 6% with white/western countries under attack by war or illegal invaders.
Yet everyone says I am c-c-crazy for bringing it up.
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Nov 23 2025 05:07am
Okay help me out here, left-wingers.

What is different about this war that makes you forget how wars and peace treaties work? You see that Russia has occupied some of Ukraine's most strategically important and resource-rich land, right? And has Ukraine shown the ability to regain it? I would say not, this front line is barely moving and if it is moving, it's moving closer to Kiev, not Crimea.

So what is it about this war? Do you think that your feewings are going to change the terms of negotiation? That an aggressive ganster-state like Russia gives the tiniest shit about what's "fair"?

Do you know that wars have often ended in peace treaties when the side that lost more guys, lost more territory, or whatever condition puts them in the weaker position - had to make some concessions? It can be land annexation on the far end, but it can also just be financial reparations. Usually these agreements come with an agreed upon truce term and disarmament/demobilization.

So the Russia/Ukraine war just... doesn't? It doesn't have any of those things in your eyes? It's war goals rooted in fucking rainbows and fairy dust? Help me out here.
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Nov 23 2025 08:50am
my two cents -

What makes this war different is that, from my perspective, the Western narrative around the conflict has been unusually weak, shaky and repeatedly challenged by events, and often contradicted by facts almost immediately. Little or no effort was made to appear to be the goodies, or rather it was not possible in this new era of internet where people can learn of an issue immediately. Many people, myself included, see 2014 not as a spontaneous democratic uprising but as a Western-supported regime change similar or identical to coups of yesteryear. Whether one calls it a “coup” or something softer, the fact remains that Western officials were deeply involved in shaping Ukraine’s political hand over in 2014 and the political landscape of Ukraine thereafter. This undermines the simple good-guy/bad-guy framing that Western governments prefer. They literally toppled a democratically elected government and refused to reinstate it in order to then hold free elections.

Then came Nord Stream. Western leaders were quick to suggest Russian responsibility, but the motivations and circumstances never fully added up. Over time, as investigations stalled and narratives shifted, it became easier for many to believe that the pipeline was damaged either by Western actors or at least with Western acquiescence. Again, official narratives grew quiet once the initial talking points began to look implausible. When several nations basically admitted to knowing who did it but refusing to reveal the culprit due to "national security" it told its own tale. After all, Russia was responsible, they would have been quick to shout it out. Rather then self reflect and mull over the ramifications of their findings, these events were swiftly forgotten. It is simply not palatable to accept that the conflict and events leading up to it, were born through a lie. Far too inconvenient to examine these events now.

Throughout the pre-war period and into the conflict itself, Western governments consistently discouraged diplomatic de-escalation. Even when negotiations were possible, early 2022 included, support for them only seemed to appear when Ukraine’s military situation worsened. All attempts at back channel solutions were effectively killed by a western leadership hell bent on putting maximum pressure on Russia. These events makes it difficult to believe the West was ever genuinely invested in a settlement on equal terms. This contrasts sharply with earlier conflicts. In previous U.S.-led wars, the West largely controlled the narrative, dominated militarily, and therefore had little incentive to negotiate. By contrast, in this war, as soon as the West seems at risk of losing strategic leverage after encouraging Ukraine to take a maximalist position, the tone suddenly shifts toward “negotiations,” but implicitly ones dictated by Western preferences.

The information flow has been similar. During the Iraq War, it took decades to acknowledge issues like the U.S.’s signaling to Saddam before Kuwait. In Ukraine, contested material—like the Nuland phone call, or the underreported conflict in the Donbas from 2014 to 2021—surfaced immediately and couldn’t simply be buried under slick media framing. When Trump pulled the plug on USAID in Ukraine, we saw the results clearly, which reinforced the notion of a western narrative trying to guide a false narrative. This is why a neutral or skeptical stance is easier to maintain in this conflict than in earlier ones: the usual moral clarity that Western governments attempt to project just isn’t holding up. When viewed alongside the Wests involvement in Israel - aiding and abetting the destruction of an entire people, the world is simply not buying the bullshit it is being fed. Yes, there is no question that Putin runs an authoritarian state—but whether he is “democratic” or “undemocratic” isn’t the core issue. What many people see is a geopolitical clash in which one major power expanded deep into another’s strategic space and then portrayed the resulting confrontation as pure good versus evil. That, from my perspective, is why reactions to this war differ so sharply from Western expectations. It isn’t about forgetting how wars end; it’s about not buying a narrative that no longer aligns with observable reality.

Ukraine is in a terrible position today largely because it was encouraged, by leaders who portrayed themselves as allies, to “fight the good fight” on behalf of wider geopolitical goals. Ukraine of course has its own agency, but it’s impossible to ignore how each step toward alignment with the West deepened Russia’s fears. Instead of trying to address those fears or seek compromise, Western governments pushed Kyiv toward confrontation.

To many, it looks as though these leaders never truly cared about Ukraine itself; Ukraine was a convenient piece on a larger strategic board. And the clearest evidence of that is simple: if they genuinely believed this war was existential and morally absolute, they would commit their own troops. The fact that they haven’t says more than any speech or slogan ever could. All the Pro-western opinions should now be to send troops, but they are silent on this point.

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Nov 23 2025 09:33am
Someone might have forgotten, so let me remind you. Western aid followed after Russia became bogged down in the conflict, having effectively failed in its Blitzkrieg. Before that, the aid was in homeopathic doses. After this, it's hard to fit Russia into the suit of clothes as a threat to Poland, the Baltics, and NATO as a whole. NATO has come to see Russia as "the sick man of Europe" and will finish it off.
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Nov 23 2025 09:46am
Someone might have forgotten, so let me remind you. Western aid followed after Russia became bogged down in the conflict, having effectively failed in its Blitzkrieg. Before that, the aid was in homeopathic doses. After this, it's hard to fit Russia into the suit of clothes as a threat to Poland, the Baltics, and NATO as a whole. NATO has come to see Russia as "the sick man of Europe" and will finish it off.


its all relative. the US provided billions in military aid to Ukraine prior to the invasion. so while you can say homeopathic doses, my response is, a billion here, a billion there, pretty soon we are talking about real money.
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