Again, fleeing was nowhere near as dangerous as staying. I mean it is literally thousands of times more dangerous to stay. It's not close.

Walking down the street is dangerous, but jumping off a mountain in a flight suit is a more dangerous way to get around. So much so that comparing the relative dangers is moronic.

thats a bit of a side point, tbh. its not a comparison of the safeness, its the fact that some zones were labelled by Israel themselves as totally safe. so a more proper analogy would be getting mercury poisoning from a water bottle. you might get mercury in tuna, and its more likely than in cod, both are far more likely than in bluegill. but you shouldnt ever get mercury poisoning from bottled water.

What you are not factoring in is that for decades Israel has been ethnically cleansing its country of Palestinians, kicking them out of greater Israel and shoving them into Gaza, and regularly bombing Gaza for years on end. Your argument is that when you are told to leave your home, you should leave your home, my argument is Israel has proven itself to be a rogue state to the people in Israel and to the countries around Israel. It cannot be trusted. this is reinforced when it BOMBS the people fleeing from their homes and going to where Israel asks them to go - where it then BOMBS them again.

We are not going to agree on this point. your argument, based on what you have been saying, is Israel told them to move, the ones that moved, some died, no big deal, some went to where they were told to go, and died, no big deal, and those that stayed died too, again no big deal. Its their own fault.

That is collective punishment, they all got rekt.

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If giving your child Dasani and giving them Aquafina both have a chance of giving them mercury poisoning, but those are your only options and Dasani has 3000 times greater chance of giving your child mercury poisoning, you should choose Aquafina. No bottled water should have any chance of giving your child mercury poisoning, because that's not fair. But shit in one hand and wish in the other fer fairness and lmk which one fills up faster.




No. My argument is that it was safer to leave, and that it was possible to leave. My evidence is that thousands of times fewer people who left died vs. those who stayed, and hundreds of thousands of people left.

My argument is that every parent has a duty to take that option based on that information, and anyone who doesn't is a piece of human garbage. Any parent who stayed, wishing and hoping for fairness rather than keeping their children safe is immoral and stupid.

this is nonsense. there was no prior warning that humanitarian corridors to humanitarian safe zones were dangerous in any way. in fact its the opposite, the gazans were told they were safe and would not be attacked. you're twisting the analogy in a way that doesnt even represent reality. there's also plenty of instances of israel changing safezone designations on a day-to-day basis, not even giving people time to gather food and water and get to a new safe zone.

there's also some deep irony in israelis for decades saying "we try so hard, we drop flyers and call ahead of time to get people out of the way". then turning around and attacking refugee camps and fleeing people in designated safe zones.

you've got a point that gaza city was specifically unsafe, and those who stayed there were in some cases foolish (and in others unable to leave). you're just butchering the safe zones figuratively, like the israelis did literally.

Thousands of times more deadly. Again, that's not an exaggeration.

It's unfair that evacuating was dangerous at all, again, I agree with you. Whoever told you life was going to be fair didn't do you any favors. Regardless, it was FAR safer to leave than it was to stay. Not close at all. If we are parents, we don't have the luxury of living in a fantasy world. You don't get to say "this is how it should be." That's irresponsibility. You have to live in reality, however harsh, for the good of those kids. Reality says that every non-combatant should have left the warzone.

Using a humanitarian corridor as a launchpad doesnt give you immunity.

Thats complete nonesense Israel didn’t ethnically cleanse Arabs from Israel

Im glad you agree, i never argued that gaza city was or should be more safe. humanitarian zones should be though, its not even fairness, its war crime standards that dictate this.



thank you for exemplifying Israeli inability to differentiate combatants from noncombatants. you're truly a credit to your race.

That is fairness... All laws including alleged "war crime" laws are attempts to enforce fairness. This forced fairness only works when all parties agree to abide by those laws though, which is necessarily not the case in a war. So it is magical thinking.

Again, reality is clear. Reality says that leaving was thousands of times safer than staying. Staying was and still is degenerate.