Massive corruption scandal, Zelensky's inner circle is fleeing Ukraine.

Where is NAFO to defend Zelensky he needs some more billions right now boys

If Russians are "orcs" so are Ukrainians. Honestly, what does this matter to you? How does nickle and dime land annexation negotiations in Eastern Ukraine take such a high proportion of your mind? (The part not otherwise preoccupied with shoplifting)

It's funny how a Tamil Tiger who migrated to Canada from Sri Lanka is calling Russian Orcs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam




This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 20 2025 05:02am

Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.

Miami, UK or Spain

I think so, too. But still: this doesn't necessarily imply that no NATO troops can be stationed anywhere in Ukraine. A clause that no NATO bases can be hosted in Ukraine and that no NATO troops may be stationed within 200km of the Russian border would imho serve as a strong enough deterrent against NATO expansion and rule out NATO massing troops for a ground attack on Russia. It would preclude NATO troops being stationed in Kharkiv, Zap, Dnipro or Odessa, but would allow a NATO presence in Kyiv and Lviv to give additional weight to the US security guarantees.

my view -

Senior Pentagon officials have arrived in Ukraine to "discuss efforts to end the war" with Russia, the US military has said.

This will not happen. As outlined previously, the legacy of Mitch McConnell’s zero-sum “us vs. them” politics has eroded American democracy and mutated U.S. society. In the UK, the results of decades of conditioning were evident when the nation left the EU. Leaders such as Boris Johnson peddled lies long enough to cripple a country before he was removed - for lying.

Over the last decade, the U.S. helped shape Europe’s political landscape. Europe’s bureaucratic structures enforce conformity, in much the same way the Republican party in the US enforces conformity, leaving little room for dissent. Within this environment multiple useful idiots have arisen, supporting Ursula von der Leyen, who champions maximalist policies and U.S.-aligned dominance. European leaders now share a commitment to resisting Russia in their bones. Together with Ukraine, they treat the war as an existential crisis. The U.S. is like the owner of the Titanic who set the course but let them steer - they are in control now and will not listen to orders from afar. Brainwashed into a narrative that the ship cannot sink, they are determined to ram the iceberg.

Right or wrong is irrelevant. Whether the U.S. staged a coup in 2014 or weaponized Ukraine for seven years is beside the point. What matters is that it abandoned diplomacy at home and empowered like-minded European hawks. The real ring leaders—von der Leyen, Tusk, Nausėda, Merz, Frederiksen, Sikorski - lock Europe into militarization, while figures like Macron, Stubb, Rutte, and Kaja Kallas are useful idiots amplifying the narrative. Momentum is now embedded in European politics, budgets, and military infrastructure, leaving the U.S. with no ability to turn the Titanic away from the iceberg.

The US cannot simply say "lets stop fighting" we are well beyond that - they have contaminated the European mindset too heavily.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 20 2025 07:51am

Resisting russian expansion and working to contain and diminish all autocratic shit holes for that matter is the right thing to do.

You blame so many people for this war except the one who initiated it, putin. An evil shit that simply needs to go.

Putin didn't initiate the war in Ukraine and he's not the one who replaced a democracy with an autocracy.
We could blame the people who actually started the chaos- the insurrectionists who overthrew Yanukovych- but that's spilled milk. Blaming does nothing. Calling people evil does nothing.
If Ukrainians actually had the means to seize their separatist regions by force and subjugate the ethnic Russians under their Nazi regime, it wouldn't matter whether it was anti-democratic. It would just be.
Instead here we are, once again with Ukrainian ultranationalists being faced with the prospect of being coerced into a capitulating peace deal or keep losing a war and bleeding away more than they'd give up.
Same calculation, same stakes, increasingly untenable position

There is an opinion that Zelenskyy will simply reject these conditions and will appear in the public eye as the only uncorrupted Ukrainian politician amid the corruption crisis.