Iam doing last 5 years in this old game and this "dead" realm
Melee Pvp Dueling to keep this old game alive and still keeping



If you show me an Europe Pvp Bow or Pvp Java tournament/ladder
where players duel eachother? Can you? Please show me pvp you talk about.

show me.
where are?? where are that pvp ama tours and players?

If you dont, it dosent exist.

yes +3 Java +20 Ias >>> +2 Java +20 ias Kb

lighting attacks +1 all

This post was edited by Hamm on Nov 19 2025 04:29am

I will agree to that if you can find me a single throphy room javazon that uses anything but 2/20/kb/adds gloves
or any pvp guide that tells you otherwise. I did some googling and all of them literally uses crafted gloves.

I'm eager to learn. show me.

still didnt show me link where are those duels.

What i say is clearly irrelevant to you.
after all, i'm just a 2021 user.

someone like you that has experience probably have better sources to give me. right?

A few coins at best.

Hamm is trying to be helpful.

You guys are arguing as Hamm skived English at school.

He's certainly trying, but i'm still looking for actual grounds to his claims.
I'm open for correction, where correction is constructive, not baseless because he's a longtime player.

Kb stuns and knocks back, stats leaves room for more life; both crucial in pvp for survival in many matchups.

+1 java skill does not add enough damage to justify sacrificing knockback unless you have KB from another item.
the stats are also extremely valuable both for equipping and for more life.

This is why i'm trying to get a better answer out of him.

In a click and hold battle, 3/20 would probably be better, unless +30lr stacking from rare/craft is more beneificial.

i really cannot find any scenario where his claims is valid, unless its under extremely specific rule sets.

This post was edited by tshockterrarian on Nov 19 2025 04:42am

The problem is that he and many users in here,

are still just talking and talking and theoryspaming about pixels pvp,

still trying to get Fgs calling Top1 rares, or Gz rares crafts etc.
while the stats of the items are so low and simply bad,
you are trying to present them and making everything possible to get Fgssss and convincing people about all of this,

while you cant show to me single pvp dueling link where players duel
with this items,
so that all simply dosent exist


If this is not ignorance, living in fantasy and just "wishing" in reality
where that all simply dosent exist

than i will agree with you.

my english is not good but im not the one presenting useless pixels,
and imagined pvp scene
while it simply dosent exist.


In my first post i pricechecked/statschecked,
and i dont see any attack or ignorance to anyone,
and if Op thinks that there is than im sorry,




And this topic can be asnwer about the realm you play and users there
3 Pages of useless pixel theory, even named Bad Gloves
while everyone knows the truth

This post was edited by Hamm on Nov 19 2025 04:46am

If you weren't ignorant, you would explain why i'm wrong, not just telling me i'm wrong.
I'm not throwing out your arguments, but i have nothing useful to work with from you to begin with.

Please explain why, dont just tell me "because i use it" or "people i duel with use it"

I'm looking for the strategic reasoning in a pro setting where top players PvP.
You are a top player, so educate me instead. you know, like i forwarded my actual throught to you.

Crushing my arguments with facts would help you in this case, because that would allow me to change my own strats to become a better player.
And i'd be more than happy to retract my statement.

This post was edited by tshockterrarian on Nov 19 2025 04:49am

there are no any duels with this gloves on the pic
i dont know any player who wants this gloves on the pic
and i dont see any stats on those gloves on the pic

https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=147
no exist

This post was edited by Hamm on Nov 19 2025 04:50am

My gloves is not the problem here.
I'm just talking about 3/20 vs 2/20/kb - what is better and why?

I already accepted my gloves being trash, from the first post.