Both builds are garbage for endgame farming.

Its endgame for mf best without dying much and waste time, its not for damage build with low mf

If both garbage lmk what better build

Both setups are very bad tbh.
But if I was forced to pick one I’d go with the first one.

You don’t need mf for countess, you farm keys and runes

You don’t need mf for cows, you farm bases, crafting supplies, runes and charms

You don’t really need mf for chaos, you do the seal pop trick and you get all drops from 0% mf anyway

Mf can make sense in the other areas you listed, IF it’s early ladder. Those setups really don’t make sense for end game where the value of all the common sets/uniques you’ll drop from increased mf is turned to shit. Density destroying TZs on high player count should be your goal for end game. That’s when you drop your mf to around 100-135% and you aim for fast clear speed on p8.
So you’d be looking to either respect to something else than blizz… or to build a high dmg blizzOrb setup with either Doom or DF

The TAL MF on the blizz is just meh! I am running voice of reason and clearing much faster until I get a doom. got to clear fast and furious 8)

This post was edited by grulag on Nov 10 2025 09:08pm

if i get a hold of doom would i still need cold sunder? would be nice of a build that can avoid that

You need the sunder to break immunity down to 95%, then - cold resistance can work, no way around that. With doom at -60, your doing about 40% normal cold damage to a previous cold immune mob. You only need 1 point in cold mastery now, because off the 1/5 nerf.

just 1 in cold mastery? Oo quess better doom then than tal wep for the bonus maybe or oculus not gonna do df cuz i try not go for the dmg, can maybe use the extra ones on warmth or teleport to reduce mana or will more mastery give more blizz damage cuz more spikes or something never understood

if it's for mass meph botting, tal set is fine. good resistances, high life etc etc

Full that is just fine, Occu will get your bot killed.