in context about 90% of all structures in the entire Gaza strip have been demolished. most of the cities will be utterly uninhabitable for 30-50 years unless a massive cleanup effort is done. even post war people are likely to die from exposure and starvation, the death toll related to the conflict will long outlive the conflict itself.

is this a "good" disproportionate response, or was it too far? often times people cite casualties as the only metric worth looking at, and i think thats very shortsighted. even if the death toll is "only" 100k once the war is over, many more people will die as a result not of bombs or gunfire but the utter destructive wake Israel left.

Well obviously a massive cleanup effort would be needed. These sort of estimates “uninhabitable for 30-50 years” are and always have been purposely misleading nonsense. Vonnegut has a famous quote about rebuilding Dresden that is perhaps a bit exaggerated but not much. “The engineers said it would take 500 years, it actually took about eighteen weeks.”

As for whether this was a “good” disproportionate attack, that depends on what happens next. If Palestine stops attacking and supporting attacks against Israel, then yes, that’s a great result and will save lives in the long run. If not then they didn’t go far enough.

Well to be fair here its not like they're living in the caucacus mountains, stocking sugarbeets and fish underground to last them the bitter winter winds
Until a few generations ago most of the arab tribesmen there had no permanent structures, and even today on the opposite coast of africa you have western saharan sahrawis living in tents.
They'll set up their own tents and get ample humanitarian aid trucked in, there's no reason to think the Palestinian population is even going to have a downturn

This metric is absurd. iran or others will find people who want to attack israel, and they'll sneak them rockets, and rockets will be fired. in reality the only way for this to come to fruition is to kill 90%+ of the population. everyone from iran, to qatar, to the usa, to even israel recognizes this. this is why so many israelis are literally genocidal, they'd happily wipe out 2 million people if it meant rockets wouldnt hit the iron dome any more.



this isnt accurate, imo. israel left considerable infrastructure in gaza when it withdrew. and even if greenhouses or water lines were destroyed to make rockets they still had hospitals and buildings to live in. in america if you are forced to move from a shitty 1 bedroom appartment to a tent on the street thats considered a crisis.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 7 2025 03:36pm

Oh americans would call it a crisis, but there has been something dubious about Palestinians living in places the media call "refugee camps" that are actually 1 bedroom apartments in major city blocks, surrounded by markets, businesses, restaurants, etc indistinguishable from other arab metropolitan areas. A refugee camp that's actually a refugee camp can support millions of people rather indefinitely, something we've seen in Africa. Some of them grow back into cities naturally, but we can expect Gaza will be a political question of reconstruction.

If a group of Palestinians attacks Israel and Palestine condemns the attack and mourns the victims, helps Israel hunt down and kill those responsible, that is a good result.

What would not be good is if a group of Palestinians attacks Israel, dragged the stripped mangled corpse of a teenage Israeli girl through the streets while thousands of people cheer on video. It wouldn't be good if parents willingly used their children as human shields to protect the terrorists. That's what happened this time. If it happens again then yes, Israel did not go far enough.

Just for completeness I think its worth illustrating




Jabalia refugee camp 1950, Jabalia refugee camp 2019, and Jabalia refugee camp 2025
Totally obliterated, but they're more likely to die to some UXO from Hamas booby traps or kids playing with guns than from exposure.
Reliant on outside aid to continue existing, and the cleanup that would be required to rebuild is the modern day cleaning of the augean stables

This post was edited by Goomshill on Nov 7 2025 03:56pm

boy, that escalated. that really escalated quickly!

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 8 2025 02:21am

Well, If its for Israeli beach side hotels and rollercoasters , by all means.