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if you look for something that you have already convinced yourself of, you will always find it. Ultimately, Hamas carried out a raid on Israel, with a figure of approx 1200 dying, which you call attempted genocide. in response Israel carried out a war on an entire population of 2.2 million people. Israel is one of the most advanced nations on the world, and for reasons only israel knows, it decided to go down this road.


It's been 80 years of Palestine supporting terrorist organizations, including their own government, who target Israel. 80 years of attacks on Israel. 80 years of Israel accepting every peace deal and trying to support a two-state solution.

If you want to defend yourself longterm, you have to show that the response to attacks will not be proportional. This has long been America's approach to national security. If you kill 1200 Americans, America will overthrow your government, kill everyone responsible and everyone who supports it, and destroy your ability to carry out attacks for decades. It's about time Israel adopted this philosophy.

Pretending not to understand this is like pretending not to understand why America bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If you walk up to the biggest kid on the playground and punch him in the face you're not the victim when you end up in the hospital.

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It's been 80 years of Palestine supporting terrorist organizations, including their own government, who target Israel. 80 years of attacks on Israel. 80 years of Israel accepting every peace deal and trying to support a two-state solution.

If you want to defend yourself longterm, you have to show that the response to attacks will not be proportional. This has long been America's approach to national security. If you kill 1200 Americans, America will overthrow your government, kill everyone responsible and everyone who supports it, and destroy your ability to carry out attacks for decades. It's about time Israel adopted this philosophy.

Pretending not to understand this is like pretending not to understand why America bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If you walk up to the biggest kid on the playground and punch him in the face you're not the victim when you end up in the hospital.


yes exactly! this is precisely why everyone is turning away from the US and Israel. you nailed it! thanks! this is the exact doctrine - US and Israeli exceptionalism, thank you! a complete break from tit for tat, lets have a global war, ofc we will win, because we are the master race! i get it. well done sir, you really have encapsulated the doctrine! first strike! kill them all! god is on our side!

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Jerusalem is out of the question, Jerusalem have no significance in Islam.


i dont understand what you're saying. are you saying Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock are outside of Jerusalem? or that neither has significance in Islam?

the Al-Aqsa Mosque is on the Western Wall, correct?
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yes exactly! this is precisely why everyone is turning away from the US and Israel. you nailed it! thanks! this is the exact doctrine - US and Israeli exceptionalism, thank you!


If Russia attacked any Nato country(which includes, I suspect, yours) the response would be similarly disproportionate, and if it was your country you would definitely support it.

Let's not forget that Europe was freed from Nazism by this disproportionate approach to national defense. Are you really here to say you don't support it in that case?

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It's been 80 years of Palestine supporting terrorist organizations, including their own government, who target Israel. 80 years of attacks on Israel. 80 years of Israel accepting every peace deal and trying to support a two-state solution.

If you want to defend yourself longterm, you have to show that the response to attacks will not be proportional. This has long been America's approach to national security. If you kill 1200 Americans, America will overthrow your government, kill everyone responsible and everyone who supports it, and destroy your ability to carry out attacks for decades. It's about time Israel adopted this philosophy.

Pretending not to understand this is like pretending not to understand why America bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If you walk up to the biggest kid on the playground and punch him in the face you're not the victim when you end up in the hospital.


this is historic revision. peace wasn't lasting with Japan because of 2 bombs, it was because of extended occupation and financial investment. as well as a longterm trade partnership.

any other, and i mean literally any other, instance of peace through strength has been a long term failure. korea, vietnam, iraq, iraq again, syria, afghanistan, etc.
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this is historic revision. peace wasn't lasting with Japan because of 2 bombs, it was because of extended occupation and financial investment. as well as a longterm trade partnership.

any other, and i mean literally any other, instance of peace through strength has been a long term failure. korea, vietnam, iraq, iraq again, syria, afghanistan, etc.


Lol I didn't make that claim though, did I?

I said America destroyed Japan's ability to carry out attacks for decades, which is true. Then they created a lasting ally by creating what is known in Japan as "the post-war economic miracle".

The purpose of dropping the bombs wasn't to create lasting peace, it was to force submission so that policy could be forced on them, which created lasting peace.

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i dont understand what you're saying. are you saying Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock are outside of Jerusalem? or that neither has significance in Islam?

the Al-Aqsa Mosque is on the Western Wall, correct?


Not exactly. The Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock are both inside Jerusalem, which Muslims call Al-Quds, meaning “The Holy.” That name comes from an earlier term, Bayt al-Maqdis Arabic for “The Holy House” which itself was a translation of the Hebrew Beit HaMikdash, the Jewish Temple.
So originally, Muslims referred to the city using the same root concept of holiness inherited from Judaism and Christianity. Over time, Bayt al-Maqdis was shortened to Al-Quds, and after the Umayyad caliphs built the Dome of the Rock and the southern mosque (today’s Al-Aqsa), the name became synonymous with Jerusalem as a holy city in Islam.
Still, the Quran never mentions Jerusalem or Al-Quds by name. The verse about al-Masjid al-Aqsa (“the farthest mosque”) doesn’t specify a location. Only decades later did the Umayyad rulers identify it with Jerusalem, to elevate the city’s status and tie it to the Prophet’s Night Journey.
So historically, Jerusalem - Al-Quds - became holy in Islam later on, through politics and religious tradition, not through direct Quranic mention. And just to clarify, the mosque isn’t built on the Western Wall; the Wall is a retaining wall of the ancient Jewish Temple Mount, supporting the raised platform where Al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock stand.
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If Russia attacked any Nato country(which includes, I suspect, yours) the response would be similarly disproportionate, and if it was your country you would definitely support it.

Let's not forget that Europe was freed from Nazism by this disproportionate approach to national defense. Are you really here to say you don't support it in that case?


Israeli expansion is not national defense. even the US has renamed its department of defense to department of war. If Israel truly wanted peace they would stop stealing land, and you know, killing people, disproportionately.

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Israeli expansion is not national defense. even the US has renamed its department of defense to department of war. If Israel truly wanted peace they would stop stealing land.


Israel stopped expanding in 1967, it actually lost more land than gained since 1967

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Israeli expansion is not national defense. even the US has renamed its department of defense to department of war. If Israel truly wanted peace they would stop stealing land, and you know, killing people, disproportionately.


Yes it is. It's not an approach to national defense that you support, I think that is clear, but denying that displacing the people who keep attacking you is national defense is pretty dumb.

I like the new name, it's what it is and it's nice to tell the truth. America will defend itself by destroying you if you fuck around.

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