Quote (Goomshill @ 29 Oct 2025 09:31)

Hamas was already a nebulously defined command structure before Israel assassinated every leadership position they could identify.
A disorganized conglomeration as a foe has the advantage of inability to carry out organized attacks, but the disadvantage that no centralized authority can enforce a peace deal.
I wasn't really expecting Hamas to be able to release all the living hostages as part of the deal so that surprised me, but some sporadic attacks on Israeli forces by splinter groups or militias or just rogue Hamas members, in breach of the ceasefire, is unsurprising.

If Israel is serious about the ceasefire this had to be an expected outcome and there needed to be a protocol to deal with it. And that could take the form of localized proportional military strikes and then a return to ceasefire once the immediate threats are dealt with
Whereas if Israel is using the occasional breach by low level gunmen as casus belli to resume a full scale war, it means Israel was never actually interested in peace

Quote (Many_Names @ 29 Oct 2025 11:09)

I’m an Israeli. I’ve lived here my whole life and I served in the IDF. I know exactly who we’re dealing with and I don’t lack moral clarity. We don’t want war none of us do. Who do you think is fighting? It’s business owners, workers, lawyers, doctors, fathers and sons. Yesterday a father of five was killed by a sniper. Do you honestly think that can go unanswered? “Occupation” may fuel anger, but that doesn’t justify the slaughter of civilians. Hamas began this war with massacres, not diplomacy. Israel’s actions can be debated, but pretending both sides are equal is false. Moral clarity means recognizing that defending your people from terror isn’t cruelty. it’s responsibility. Something you will never understand from your comfy couch.

Quote (DocPhil @ Oct 29 2025 03:49am)

Israel is not defending itself 2 years after the fact with +70000 dead incl 20,000 + children. It's now just a straight up bulldozing genocide sprinkled in with some starvation.
And for the record no one has stated anywhere that Israel doesn't have the right to defend it self but saying that this started on oct7 like the past 70 year of apartheid and occupation doesn't play any role whatsoever is factually incorrect and ignorant.
And as for the deadtolls it seems like, from ISRAELS OWN LEAKED MILITARY DOCUMENTS, that the primary war Israels rage is against children and women with only tel:7700-83007700-8300[/URL] hamas soldiers killed making the civilians death percentage 83-85% and that's only expected to rise as more bodies of children and women are being uncovered in the rubble that israel has left behind.
So my morality, from my couch apparently, is completely intact as at least my government is not part of a genocide and the murder of innocent young children while it's finance minister is calling openly for settling the ruins with new apartments to pay for it all.

Quote (xxsjxx1 @ 29 Oct 2025 15:11)

That’s what powerful countries do. The USA had a couple planes high jacked and we went over and oppressed the Middle East for 20 years. The retaliation is always far worse than the first punch thrown.

If you can’t handle it, don’t throw the punch. The excessive response is a deterrent to future attacks.


For the record, I’m not condoning cruelty to civilians, that’s horrible. I’m just simply stating that it could have been avoided. Y’all act like Hamas / Palestine didn’t know that Israel would whoop them.

Quote (DocPhil @ 29 Oct 2025 13:30)

erhm what ?
That's like throwing a punch in the face of a cop and then running into a school, and instead of the cop running in after you he calls the army and instead of the army special forces try and get you, they proceed to bomb the entire school. Then when they're done bombing the school they bomb all the universities all the hospitals and then they decide to also not give food to all the people they bombed and while they are at it they then bomb a couple of foreign countries as well because fuck it.
The problem isn't israel defending itself or responding to terror attacks it's the way they do it and they are not harming the terrorists, as their own intelligence report clearly states, they can only trace tel:7700-83007700-8300[/URL] dead hamas fighters. They are at this point just raging a war on civilians and that's the problem and condemnation and to make matters worse while they are doing all this shit they planning on annexing and taking the bombed land for themselves as their finance minister recently said point blank. So yea.

Quote (Many_Names @ 29 Oct 2025 15:56)

Describing rape maim and butchering civilians as a punch is not a good analogy


Nobody gives a shit about smotrich besides you.
You simply do not understand israeli politics

Quote (DocPhil @ Oct 29 2025 07:30am)

erhm what ?
That's like throwing a punch in the face of a cop and then running into a school, and instead of the cop running in after you he calls the army and instead of the army special forces try and get you, they proceed to bomb the entire school. Then when they're done bombing the school they bomb all the universities all the hospitals and then they decide to also not give food to all the people they bombed and while they are at it they then bomb a couple of foreign countries as well because fuck it.
The problem isn't israel defending itself or responding to terror attacks it's the way they do it and they are not harming the terrorists, as their own intelligence report clearly states, they can only trace tel:7700-83007700-8300[/URL] dead hamas fighters. They are at this point just raging a war on civilians and that's the problem and condemnation and to make matters worse while they are doing all this shit they planning on annexing and taking the bombed land for themselves as their finance minister recently said point blank. So yea.

Quote (xxsjxx1 @ 29 Oct 2025 14:42)

You don’t get to choose how a nation reacts to an attack. That goes back to my original point - if you can’t handle the response then don’t provoke.

Again, I don’t agree with harming civilians on purpose. I’m just stating basic guidelines to live by. You never know how someone is going to react to a provocation. It’s best to not provoke.

Quote (Many_Names @ Oct 29 2025 08:52am)

Israel doesnt target civilians, Iran, Hezbollah, Iraq, Yemen and Hamas does.
Yet some how we are on the stake for these BS claims