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Oct 25 2025 03:01am
Can you expand on this. if they dont understand the notion of mass, they wont understand your post.


Sure, what do you want me to expand on? Ask away.

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Oct 25 2025 03:25am
Absolutely room temperature level of discussions here in this thread from our usual NAFO warmongers.

Meanwhile, sanctions imposed on Rosneft/Lukoil are quite effective and will cause quite a bit of a shock for Europe & India. 3 Lukoil EU refineries will most probably have to be nationalized next month to ensure security of fuel supply for Europe next month (Think SEFE / Schwedt etc).
https://tvpworld.com/89647764/germany-wants-us-sanctions-exemption-for-rosneft-refineries-

Same goes for NIS where OFAC license was not extended. Serbia is between a rock and hard place, as Gazprom owns both the refinery and the gas supply to Serbia. I reckon Serbians will have to think hard a way out of this one.

Surprisingly little news about sabotage at both MOL refineries few weeks ago, sweeping under the rug I guess?

Indians seems to have thrown in the towel - Reliance announced they will comply, Chinese are still thinking.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/24/russias-top-indian-oil-buyer-to-comply-with-western-sanctions


1. why does this matter: Meanwhile, sanctions imposed on Rosneft/Lukoil are quite effective and will cause quite a bit of a shock for Europe & India. me: Russia is also sanctioned.
2. why does this matter: 3 Lukoil EU refineries will most probably have to be nationalized next month to ensure security of fuel supply for Europe next month (Think SEFE / Schwedt etc). me: what is SEFE and Schwedt.
3. why does this matter: Same goes for NIS where OFAC license was not extended. me: what are these things and how does this change the war.
4. why does this matter: Serbia is between a rock and hard place, as Gazprom owns both the refinery and the gas supply to Serbia. I reckon Serbians will have to think hard a way out of this one. me: serbia is a small country that no one cares about, why does this matter.
5. Surprisingly little news about sabotage at both MOL refineries few weeks ago, sweeping under the rug I guess? <-- me: what was the impact of these events. has anything changed, what is the context also, what does NS mean and how does it relate to this.

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A Ukrainian woman who ran a Telegram called "Melitopol is Ukraine" in the Russian-occupied city has been sentenced to 14 years in jail, the Southern District Military Court in Rostov-on-Don said on Oct. 23.

Twenty-one-year-old Yana Suvorova was detained on Aug. 20, 2023, in Melitopol, along with six other RIA Melitopol journalists and administrators of the channel.
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The good guys Orcs planning to confiscate Russian sovereign assets, again

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At a briefing held in Moscow on October 23, 2025, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova strongly condemned the European Union’s plan to confiscate frozen Russian sovereign assets held in Euroclear. She called the move “outright fraud and robbery,” accusing Brussels of trampling on the very “rules-based order” it claims to uphold. Zakharova said that issuing “zero-coupon EU bonds” backed by stolen Russian funds represents not only a cynical violation of international law but also a historic act of Russophobia.

She warned that these so-called “zero-coupon bonds of Russophobia” will one day be displayed in museums as evidence of how “civilized Europe” financed the killing of Russians and legalized theft under political pretexts. Zakharova emphasized that any manipulation or confiscation of Russian reserves without consent will be null and void under international and contractual law, and promised that Moscow will respond firmly and symmetrically to any such actions by the European Commission.


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Oct 26 2025 02:15am
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A Ukrainian woman who ran a Telegram called "Melitopol is Ukraine" in the Russian-occupied city has been sentenced to 14 years in jail, the Southern District Military Court in Rostov-on-Don said on Oct. 23.

Twenty-one-year-old Yana Suvorova was detained on Aug. 20, 2023, in Melitopol, along with six other RIA Melitopol journalists and administrators of the channel.


We get it, supporting terrorism runs in your blood, but what do you suggest should be done with an enemy combatant that has directly caused numerous civilian casualties? A video of her arrest is making circles on social media.

Would you say disappearing her in an unmarked private jail in Lithuania or the likes of Gitmo for 10 years without any charges would be more democratic?

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Oct 26 2025 03:01am
lets not talk about ballistic missiles. Headline and News Story from the BBC: "The 'Heroes of Kharkiv' who saved 48 children from kindergarten hit by Russian drone."

Although moving forward, Oleksandr Volobuev's body is angled slightly away from the camera, as if bracing against the deadly air still swirling with falling debris and smoke. His face in careful concentration, the Major-General from Ukraine's Civil Protection Service clings tightly to a precious bundle, wrapped for protection in his coat - and out of which two small pink shoes protrude. It is a striking image of a dramatic rescue from a nursery school in the eastern city of Kharkiv, following a devastating, direct hit by a Russian drone.

Unsurprisingly it has gone viral, capturing both the Ukrainian and the wider global public's imagination. With 48 children trapped in a shelter in the burning building, it was not the only act of bravery that day, not by a long way. But few photographs better sum up the growing impact of Russia's full-scale invasion on everyday life, with Ukraine's most vulnerable now bearing the brunt, including children. "We got the call that there had been an attack on the kindergarten," Oleksandr Volobuev told me. "And, of course, knowing there would be children there, we set off in a state of some anxiety." Little did he expect that by the end of that day, as a result of carrying that little girl to safety, he would find himself being hailed as a national hero. In a split-second moment caught on camera, the Ukrainian people saw not only the reality of Russia's new strategy - its increasing attacks on civilian infrastructure - but also a stark depiction of their own resilience and defiance.

It's impossible to know why the Honey Academy, based in a sturdy, two-storey brick building in Kharkiv's Kholodnohirsky district, was hit by a Shahed drone. The low, menacing hum of those Iranian-designed weapons, which carry a lethal 50kg payload, is now all too familiar, not only to soldiers on the front line, but to Ukrainians everywhere. While they can be devastatingly accurate, the large volume being fired by Russia - with multiple waves of drones in each attack on cities across the country - means some inevitably malfunction. Russia has regularly denied targeting residential areas, but maps of the city show no obvious military targets in the immediate vicinity of the kindergarten, and the Ukrainian government certainly spoke of it as deliberate. "There is no justification for an attack on a kindergarten, nor can there ever be," President Volodymyr Zelensky said shortly after the strike. "Clearly, Russia is growing more brazen."

Fedir Uhnenko was also with one of the emergency teams rushing to respond to the strike. Normally, as a press officer with the Civil Defence Service, he is not so closely involved in frontline work. But this time, seeing the disaster unfolding in front of him, he knew he had to act. "There'd been a huge explosion and there was horror in their eyes," he told me, on finding the children huddled in the building's basement. Luckily, following the air raid warning that had sounded before the attack, the children had taken cover in the school's shelter there. But with the fire still burning, the roof destroyed and the building filling with smoke and dust, they were still in danger.

His colleagues, as well as members of the public who had come to help, stepped forward one by one to scoop up a child. Like Oleksandr, his more senior commander, Fedir was pictured carrying a child to safety. In his case it was a young boy, through the rubble and smoke. "I was reassuring him all the way that everything was fine, there was nothing to worry about," he explained. "When we came out of the building, there was a car on fire. Our boys were putting it out. And, you know, I was surprised the kid didn't cry. There was certainly fear in his eyes." "I said to him, go ahead and hold me as tight as you like. I'm quite big myself and, as you can see in the photo, he grabbed me so tightly." In the end, he had fulfilled two roles: the rescue work and his day job too. His press officer's helmet-camera rolled throughout, capturing many of the up-close photographs and videos that have since been beamed around the world.

The children were carried to an emergency reception point in a safe zone, a few hundred metres from the nursery school. All were unharmed, but there can be little doubt about the danger they faced. One adult working nearby was killed in the strike and nine others were wounded, one with serious burns and another a traumatic amputation of her leg. For all the rescuers, Fedir told me, there was the constant awareness not only of the risks of fire, falling masonry and smoke, but of the possibility of another strike. Russia has been known to hit the same target twice, which Ukrainians see as a deliberate strategy to kill emergency workers. The day after the nursery school attack, one of these so called "double taps" killed a firefighter and wounded five of his colleagues in a village a short distance from Kharkiv. Ukraine believes Russia has turned to civilian targets in desperation over its inability to make significant gains on the battlefield. Both Oleksandr and Fedir say what they saw at the kindergarten has done little to change their view of the enemy.

"From the beginning I have only one feeling that we must go through all this and win," Oleksandr told me. I ask him what kind of future he envisages for the 48 young lives he helped save. "Of course, only good, happy lives," he replied. "But not only our children. I would like all children to live in peace."

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no mention whatsoever of Ballistic Missiles or the scale of the attack.
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Oct 26 2025 03:11am
1. why does this matter: Meanwhile, sanctions imposed on Rosneft/Lukoil are quite effective and will cause quite a bit of a shock for Europe & India. me: Russia is also sanctioned.
2. why does this matter: 3 Lukoil EU refineries will most probably have to be nationalized next month to ensure security of fuel supply for Europe next month (Think SEFE / Schwedt etc). me: what is SEFE and Schwedt.
3. why does this matter: Same goes for NIS where OFAC license was not extended. me: what are these things and how does this change the war.
4. why does this matter: Serbia is between a rock and hard place, as Gazprom owns both the refinery and the gas supply to Serbia. I reckon Serbians will have to think hard a way out of this one. me: serbia is a small country that no one cares about, why does this matter.
5. Surprisingly little news about sabotage at both MOL refineries few weeks ago, sweeping under the rug I guess? <-- me: what was the impact of these events. has anything changed, what is the context also, what does NS mean and how does it relate to this.


1) for 3.5 years EU/US tried to tiptoe with price ceilings for Russian oil. This has now been abandoned as both Lukoil and Rosneft are directly targeted. This is new and unprecedented. Lukoil still owns 3 refineries in Europe (Netherlands, Romania, Bulgaria), Gazprom 1 (Serbia) and Rosneft 3 (Germany). Since they will no longer be able to supply even non-Russian crude to these refineries - those refineries will probably stop and EU might have to think about nationalizing them like they did with Gazprom assets in Europe in April 2022 or Nexperia recently in The Netherlands. Europeans are already “concerned about security of supply” lets see if their voices are heard: https://tvpworld.com/89647764/germany-wants-us-sanctions-exemption-for-rosneft-refineries-

2) there are 4 more refineries in Eastern Europe supplied by Russian oil via Druzhba pipeline volumes (2 MOL refineries, 2 NIS refineries).
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/central-europes-refiners-eye-impact-us-sanctions-russian-oil-majors-2025-10-23/
They will now have to be supplied via JANAF pipeline via terminal in Croatia however it’s not big enough to supply 5 refineries (4 aforementioned + INA refinery) + you would need to reverse sections after Sisak refinery which takes months and capex. Needless to say that switching from Russian heavy sour grade of crude to other grades will require refinery revamp/maintenance to adjust catalysts & processes. This would mean supply shortages in Hungary/Serbia I would reckon.


3) in Serbia - Gazprom supplies gas via pipe with contract up for renewal. At the same time Gazprom refinery in Serbia - NIS has been sanctioned by Americans for some time now with rolling OFAC license to operate. This license has now been revoked to add sauce to gas contract renewal between Serbia & Russia. Americans openly demand Serbians nationalize Russian assets. This will obviously not go down easy with Moscow. https://www.nin.rs/english/news/92626/plug-for-nis-not-found-and-gas-is-leaking-after-nis-serbia-faces-a-new-problem

4) there were recently actions of industrial sabotage at both MOL refineries that went relatively unnoticed. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/10/21/fire-at-hungarys-largest-refinery-contained-no-injuries-reported

https://cznews.info/world/20251022/a-fire-has-broken-out-at-the-bratislava-oil-refinery-owned-by-hungarys-mol-group.php

Interesting.

5) india is pressured to abandon Russian oil. This will obv increase domestic prices in india (hurting Modi domestically), but also global oil prices as Indian refineries like Reliance will have to bid for the same ME or African volumes like Europeans. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/24/russias-top-indian-oil-buyer-to-comply-with-western-sanctions

Typing from my phone, sorry for typos & formatting.

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