just a quick one. ChatGPT, Deepseek, all these "aids" are simply, aids. You have to learn how to use them properly to get the most out of them. We had this discussion a couple of times now...

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-israel-hostages-trump-vance-netanyahu-13443931?postid=10393209#liveblog-body

Now trying to annex more land in the west bank.

There’s nothing to “try” if Israel wants to annex it, we will.
But the truth is, this bill hasn’t even become law. It passed only the first reading and still needs to go through committee review and several more votes in the Knesset.
It’s also a private-member’s bill, not a government proposal, and Likud didn’t officially support it so it’s very unlikely to pass.

I was just thinking about how people here on the forum, with zero understanding of Israeli politics, present politicians’ statements as absolute truth — but only when it suits them. For example, everything Ben Gvir says about expelling or waging war against the Palestinians is taken as gospel, while everything Netanyahu says about Hamas in Gaza and so on is dismissed as a total lie.
And it goes on: any statement that reinforces their narrative is “true,” and anything that doesn’t must be “false.”
In that context, Trump just gave an interview to Time where he explicitly said that weakening Iran paved the way for regional peace. So I’m asking — did Israel’s strike do any good or not? After all, we’re supposed to believe politicians, right? Or only to Israeli politicians?

firstly, the spotlight has been on israel for several years now. so teh idea that we have ZERO understanding of israeli politics is silly.

secondly, holy irony. net-and-yahoo says hostage bones are worth restarting the war, and you cheer. meanwhile they literally shot hostages on 10-7 to prevent them from being taken back to gaza and used as leverage. there was a stand down order. yet you eat it up, contradiction and all.

as to your question, bombing for peace? can we name a single time that's worked since Hiroshima? btw in japan occupation, not the bombs, secured peace. no one's signing up to occupy Iran. gaza, sure, occupy it and babysit, but 90 million strong country?

It’s saddens me that you prefer to adopt a false narrative about 10-7. Do you honestly believe the victim's families wouldn’t go Ballistic ? Given mass protest against the gov from the same families.. The only place I read about it is in this forum.
Second, why stick to the bombing effect rather than the wider aspect of the achievement ?
Iran found guilty promoting atomic bomb, found guilty lying about it and now bares the consequences.
The Middle East likes strength. Show it and you’ll get peace - it worked with Egypt and Jordan btw. When Arab nations sees strong Israel with American backup , that gives them all the excuses to lean towards Israel. Remember, *whispers now* they dislike the Muslim brotherhood more than we do.
They do more off grid than they tell… they can condemn Israel over Gaza 15 times a day while conducting business and connection off grid for the benefit of us all.
Now it’s start to come out.
Mark my words - Israel is gonna be stronger than ever before in this region. I just hope our leaders will know how to use the given situation.

/e and just to address the Israeli politics thingy - no, you don’t have any idea. You don’t understand our slang, our way of life and our costumes, our culture, our jokes and our sadness.
Same like I don’t understand American society even that I watch movies, news, speaks the language and read “the people history of the United States” by haward zane.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Oct 23 2025 09:11am

The Jerusalem Post already reported that Hannibal Protocol was employed on october 7th, based on multiple sources.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-844008#google_vignette

Ironic you say we dont know about Israeli politics, when you dont know about Israeli media.



you better pray every night that US support doesnt drop. the next election every single politician is going to be asked about aid to Israel, and those who are in favor of it will lose votes. you're right you dont know about the USA just like i dont know the #1 hummus brand in Israel. and let me tell you sentiment towards israel is taking a nosedive.

Well, I don’t watch or read Israeli media. Not the formal channels anyway. I find it sh*t. I get info from various telegram channels which don’t involve all those good for nothing commentators.
What does the comment of me not knowing about Israeli media has to do with anything ? You read every newspaper issued in the US ?

About your source -
Maybe I’m missing something but activating Hannibal directive doesn’t mean that people were actually killed because of it ? I went briefly through the article and couldn’t find any evidence. On the contrary the article did say that pilots were afraid hitting hostages even when Hannibal directive was issued. Kinda the opposite from what you claim but I didn’t actually read it all so who knows maybe I missed something.

US and Israel goes long way. It’s concerning that the west falls into radical Islam propaganda. Like anything in life, sometimes you are up.. sometimes down.

there were numerous incedents on 10-7 during the time of the Hannibal Directive. Houses shot with tanks that had large nubmers of hostages inside, hostages on trucks destined for Gaza exploded with the truck via missiles, hostages shot while among hamas soldiers.

and dont get me wrong, war is war, so i get it. but for the Israeli govt to threaten breaking the ceasefire over BONES of hostages, not even live hostages but BONES, because "every hostage is sacred", when on 10-7 they made hostages valid targets is beyond hypocritical.

if israel said "we want every last live hostage back now", sure. but bones? gonna keep the war going over bones? gtfoh.

No comment from me, i am just going to copy and paste the article.

IDF carried out Hannibal Directive, new 'Sword of Damocles' operation on October 7. The Israeli Air Force was carrying out a new 'Sword of Damocles' operation as it was carrying out the 'Hannibal directive,' the IDF's probes found.

The Air Force was carrying out “the Sword of Damocles” operation – a code name only being revealed on Thursday for the first time - to attack many Hamas commanders and their headquarters around 10:30 a.m. on October 7, 2023, just as it was carrying out the “Hannibal Directive” of gunning down anything that moved around the Israel-Gaza border. The Air Force has been questioned about if the forces it had invested in attacking Hamas commanders deep in Gaza would have been better used to defend the Gaza border and to attack Hamas invaders in Israeli villages. Air Force sources hoped air power had been used 'differently' on October 7. Air Force sources have said that they wish this air power had been used differently on October 7, given that protecting the villages and the border should have been a higher priority than killing top Hamas officials. Further, Air Force sources indicated that had they known all of the information being debated between IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Herzi Halevi and IDF Southern Command Chief Maj.-Gen. Yaron Finkleman, such as the Israeli SIM cell phone cards which Hamas had activated in Gaza, they might have pushed for the aircraft to be used differently.

In contrast, IDF southern command sources have indicated that they believe that the attack on the Hamas commanders and headquarters significantly reduced the number of invaders who would have streamed into Israel absent those attacks. Some sources said that there were concerns that tens of thousands or even more Gazans might have invaded Israel, far more than the around 5,400 which actually attacked, and that activating the Sword of Damocles plan was the right move even looking backwards. Besides that, essentially the Air Force took significant responsibility for being a part of the failure on October 7, but also said that it was simply not in the game.

The general Air Force plan for that weekend was to have only one drone watching over Gaza, as there was an assumption that there would be various warnings and time to prepare if there would be any major change in the stabilized situation. While Halevi ordered that the Air Force have additional aircraft nearby a few hours before the invasion, and two more drones were directed toward Gaza, lower down Air Force officers decided along with lower down Operations Command officers to only move a fighter jet from Ramat David base in the North to Ramon base, much closer to Gaza, on a delay of a few hours from when the order was given. It turned out that the invasion started 90 minutes before the aircraft was due to be finally moved as opposed to if it had been moved when Halevi ordered, two hours before the invasion. The lower down officers did not deem the order to be an emergency, as long as they complied within a reasonable amount of time. The Air Force said that it accomplished this in an impressive period of only several hours, much faster than the pre-war estimated time. Given that most of Hamas’s forces had returned to Gaza with most of the hostages it took by around 12:00, most of the Air Force simply could not be ready in time. The Air Force said that it has approximately doubled – from around a dozen - the number of aircraft to be available on short notice for helping with a potential border invasion and that it will also integrate old-fashioned guns onto some aircraft which can be used for flying low and strafing a border area with machine gun fire.

On October 7, much of the Air Force was carrying heavier bombs which could be used to destroy much more powerful damage to an enemy, but which were too large to use in complex situations with Hamas invaders and Israeli civilians in close proximity to each other Israeli pilots were afraid of striking hostages in Hannibal Directive Further, the Air Force said that many pilots were reluctant about hitting potential hostages even after the Hannibal Directive was issued. In addition, the Air Force probe said that generally pilots receive highly specific information of where and what to attack and that: Most Air Force officers were not in the South due to vacations, those that were had a similar lack of full understanding of the constantly evolving situation, and the IDF Southern Command was similarly “blind” to how multi-pronged the invasion was. The Air Force would carry out around 945 attacks with helicopters firing 11,000 times.

Out of 1,600 killed Hamas fighters, the Air Force estimates that it killed around 1,000. 157 Israelis were rescued by Air Force special forces Unit 669 and in at least two cases – at the IDF Nahal Oz position and near the “Black Arrow” and Miflasim village area – Air Force interventions scared away or killed Hamas invaders who were about to kill more Israelis. According to the Air Force, some of its top aircraft which got into the air fairly quickly, were assigned to stay in the air near critical infrastructure areas, or were kept near the northern border lest Hezbollah stage a second invasion, and not to help with the defense of the southern border. Bar was told by Halevi very early in the morning that he should be sending aircraft northward in case Hezbollah intervened. Air Force sources said that had Hezbollah invaded, which almost happened, and the Air Force had not been ready in the North, it would have faced even harsher questions than it did about not being ready in the South.

Besides the fact that lots of the Air Force’s serious power was sent northward or to guard critical infrastructure sites, the Air Force probe also showed that its plans for reinforcing border areas downplayed Gaza and had its aircraft stationed too far away. In one case where the Air Force tried to take the initiative based on pre-war intelligence and to attack without concrete real-time updated intelligence, it attacked a tunnel which officers thought Hamas might use to send fighters into Nativ Haasara. It turned out later that no Hamas fighters had been there. Next, Hamas’s 3,889 rocket attacks in a short period of time exhausted the Iron Dome supplies in the South, leading to only less protection, which in turn meant that many southern runways were hit and required repairs.

again, no comment.

if people want to read more about this then:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/07/israel-idf-hannibal-protocol-hamas-attack-haaretz
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/yoav-gallant-admits-to-authorising-hannibal-directive-during-october-7-attack-7663931

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 23 2025 11:37am