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Oct 17 2025 01:40pm
When Israel started clearing out the Syrian area adjacent to Golan Heights i really thought that would be a prime spot to move the Gazans. I don't know enough about the region to understand why it didn't happen. Perhaps optics, perhaps local opposition by the Druze or the Syrian Arab tribes that already inhabit that land. But geographically, sticking them in an area where you have have a huge mountain range and you're on top of that range and able to monitor any potential preparation for attacks would be ideal.

In a perfect world Gulf Arabs, Israelis the US would of all setup some fund that basically subsidized the funding for resettlement and could of been a win-win. Syria gets paid handsomely, Israel gets to keep and essentially buys out the inhabitants. The displaced Gazans get a new home in south Syria, some lump some of money, etc.

Idk, i know I'm making it overly simple but would of been great for many sides if it turned out like this.
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Oct 17 2025 02:24pm
When Israel started clearing out the Syrian area adjacent to Golan Heights i really thought that would be a prime spot to move the Gazans. I don't know enough about the region to understand why it didn't happen. Perhaps optics, perhaps local opposition by the Druze or the Syrian Arab tribes that already inhabit that land. But geographically, sticking them in an area where you have have a huge mountain range and you're on top of that range and able to monitor any potential preparation for attacks would be ideal.

In a perfect world Gulf Arabs, Israelis the US would of all setup some fund that basically subsidized the funding for resettlement and could of been a win-win. Syria gets paid handsomely, Israel gets to keep and essentially buys out the inhabitants. The displaced Gazans get a new home in south Syria, some lump some of money, etc.

Idk, i know I'm making it overly simple but would of been great for many sides if it turned out like this.


Israel's attitude in conflict is, as a punishment, or consequence if you prefer, more land should be stolen/claimed from their enemy in response to any aggression, whether provoked or not. Therefore, relocating Palestinians to such a land would be seen as rewarding them, giving them an identity, ergo, a non runner. Israel cannot reward its enemies. I say this based on what I understand. if you then transpose that idea to gaza, this is exactly why there is no credible two state solution. finally the west bank continues to be aggressively, both metaphorically and physically, depopulated. people are not fleeing to there. they are fleeing from there.

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Oct 17 2025 02:38pm
When Israel started clearing out the Syrian area adjacent to Golan Heights i really thought that would be a prime spot to move the Gazans. I don't know enough about the region to understand why it didn't happen. Perhaps optics, perhaps local opposition by the Druze or the Syrian Arab tribes that already inhabit that land. But geographically, sticking them in an area where you have have a huge mountain range and you're on top of that range and able to monitor any potential preparation for attacks would be ideal.

In a perfect world Gulf Arabs, Israelis the US would of all setup some fund that basically subsidized the funding for resettlement and could of been a win-win. Syria gets paid handsomely, Israel gets to keep and essentially buys out the inhabitants. The displaced Gazans get a new home in south Syria, some lump some of money, etc.

Idk, i know I'm making it overly simple but would of been great for many sides if it turned out like this.


all of this presupposes Gazans are willing to leave, and imo they are not. maybe half would hear free cash and safe home and pack up, the other half will never leave. they're 3-4 generations deep into "this is your land, make it your country" propaganda. beyond that they feel they're fighting literal religious evil, they think the jews are literally satan's minions.
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Oct 18 2025 12:19am
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maccabi-tel-aviv-aston-villa-israeli-fans-birmingham-starmer-wrong-decision/

Birmingham goes the extra mile and banned the jews from attending an upcoming football match.
Bad time for any big nosed british goys who get mistaken as a member of the tribe and can't even go to sporting events anymore. Too bad other religions took it up or they could just have every man drop their pants at the gate to check
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Oct 18 2025 01:38am
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maccabi-tel-aviv-aston-villa-israeli-fans-birmingham-starmer-wrong-decision/

Birmingham goes the extra mile and banned the jews from attending an upcoming football match.
Bad time for any big nosed british goys who get mistaken as a member of the tribe and can't even go to sporting events anymore. Too bad other religions took it up or they could just have every man drop their pants at the gate to check


Goom come on XD

it is in Israel's interests for these fans not to be allowed to go. look at what happened with holland.

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Oct 18 2025 01:44am
When Israel started clearing out the Syrian area adjacent to Golan Heights i really thought that would be a prime spot to move the Gazans. I don't know enough about the region to understand why it didn't happen. Perhaps optics, perhaps local opposition by the Druze or the Syrian Arab tribes that already inhabit that land. But geographically, sticking them in an area where you have have a huge mountain range and you're on top of that range and able to monitor any potential preparation for attacks would be ideal.

In a perfect world Gulf Arabs, Israelis the US would of all setup some fund that basically subsidized the funding for resettlement and could of been a win-win. Syria gets paid handsomely, Israel gets to keep and essentially buys out the inhabitants. The displaced Gazans get a new home in south Syria, some lump some of money, etc.

Idk, i know I'm making it overly simple but would of been great for many sides if it turned out like this.


Placing them in Syria will strengthen Iran in the region.
And it will be like transferring the problem from one border to the other… it will simply be another front where we cannot control whats getting in.

Its not reward it punishment like ferida said.
If we knew that will solve the conflict we would have funded it ourselves
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Oct 18 2025 02:31am
On 7 March 2024, ahead of Maccabi Tel Aviv’s Europa Conference League fixture in Athens, Greece, a group of Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters physically attacked a man carrying a Palestinian flag in central Syntagma Square. The victim was injured and hospitalized, and video of the assault circulated widely in Greek media. This incident foreshadowed the tensions that would later erupt in Amsterdam, demonstrating how Maccabi supporters’ provocative behavior abroad often triggered violent confrontations and unintended consequences. There are numerous video's online of these fans misbehaving.

The November 2024 UEFA Europa League match between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Ajax Amsterdam was preceded by "unrest" the day before the game. Maccabi supporters, traveling through Amsterdam, deliberately went to a well-known pro-Palestinian protest square in the city center, which regularly hosts demonstrations. Their presence, coupled with provocative chants and flags, was widely interpreted as an attempt to provoke local activists. Dutch authorities deployed a heavy police presence around the square and surrounding areas in anticipation of clashes. Despite these precautions, violence erupted as groups of Maccabi supporters clashed with pro-Palestinian demonstrators, resulting in multiple injuries. Footage of the incidents, captured by Dutch photographer Annet de Graaf, was initially sold to Reuters, which repackaged the clips to tell a specific story: that Israeli fans were the victims of antisemitic attacks by racist dutch people. This narrative circulated widely in international media. Only after De Graaf published the full, unedited footage, was it revealed that Maccabi supporters had actually been the aggressors, contradicting the false narrative created by Reuters. This discrepancy highlighted the role of Reuters’ selective editing in shaping narratives.

In response to the Amsterdam violence, the Dutch government sided with Israel, condemning attacks on Israeli supporters. However, the events sparked growing domestic backlash. Large-scale protests erupted across the country, fueled by outrage over both the violence and the government’s alignment with Israel. Internal political tensions intensified: State Secretary Nora Achahbar resigned in November 2024 in protest over the government’s handling of the events and the polarizing, possibly racist rhetoric surrounding the violence, while Minister Hanneke Boerma resigned in mid‑2025 when the cabinet failed to implement stronger measures against Israel’s actions. While no Dutch government official explicitly called its own people racist, the controversy centered on political statements and polarization that targeted certain groups, including Moroccans and Muslims in Amsterdam. Prime Minister Dick Schoof emphasized that the cabinet sought to represent all people in the Netherlands, while Amsterdam Mayor Femke Halsema later expressed regret for framing the attacks in ways that could weaponize ethnic tensions. These remarks underscored the sensitivity of labeling citizens and the domestic fallout from how the government framed the incidents.

The combination of escalating mass protests, public pressure, and political resignations forced the Dutch government to reassess its stance. This domestic political upheaval set the stage for a U-turn in foreign policy: the Netherlands moved from uncritical support of Israel to a more assertive position within the EU, advocating measures against Israel — including suspension of trade-related provisions in the EU-Israel Association Agreement and restrictions on Israeli participation in Horizon Europe programs — that other member states such as Ireland and Spain had previously struggled to advance.

Now its Oct 2025 - Following the Amsterdam episode, Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters have been banned from attending their upcoming match in Birmingham, England, due to concerns over hooliganism. While Israel may be unhappy with this restriction, a closer look suggests they should actually welcome it. The Amsterdam incident provides a cautionary tale: provocative behavior led to violent clashes, media misrepresentation, and a domestic political crisis in the Netherlands, which ultimately forced the Dutch government into a U-turn in foreign policy, advocating EU measures against Israel. Allowing Maccabi fans into Birmingham risks creating a similar chain of cause and effect: pre-match provocations, potential violence, public outrage, and political pressure that could push England toward policy positions unfavorable to Israel. In this context, the ban is not just a matter of law and order — it is a preventive measure that protects Israel from repeating the Dutch scenario.

In other words, the Birmingham restriction is in Israel’s strategic interest: by keeping fans out, England avoids the domino effect of domestic backlash and foreign policy realignment that occurred in the Netherlands. Cause and effect matter — and sometimes, restrictive measures are needed to prevent long-term problems.

But if they REALLY REALLY want to go, well fine. i'll grab my popcorn.

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On 7 March 2024, ahead of Maccabi Tel Aviv’s Europa Conference League fixture in Athens, Greece, a group of Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters physically attacked a man carrying a Palestinian flag in central Syntagma Square. The victim was injured and hospitalized, and video of the assault circulated widely in Greek media. This incident foreshadowed the tensions that would later erupt in Amsterdam, demonstrating how Maccabi supporters’ provocative behavior abroad often triggered violent confrontations and unintended consequences. There are numerous video's online of these fans misbehaving.

The November 2024 UEFA Europa League match between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Ajax Amsterdam was preceded by "unrest" the day before the game. Maccabi supporters, traveling through Amsterdam, deliberately went to a well-known pro-Palestinian protest square in the city center, which regularly hosts demonstrations. Their presence, coupled with provocative chants and flags, was widely interpreted as an attempt to provoke local activists. Dutch authorities deployed a heavy police presence around the square and surrounding areas in anticipation of clashes. Despite these precautions, violence erupted as groups of Maccabi supporters clashed with pro-Palestinian demonstrators, resulting in multiple injuries. Footage of the incidents, captured by Dutch photographer Annet de Graaf, was initially sold to Reuters, which repackaged the clips to tell a specific story: that Israeli fans were the victims of antisemitic attacks by racist dutch people. This narrative circulated widely in international media. Only after De Graaf published the full, unedited footage, was it revealed that Maccabi supporters had actually been the aggressors, contradicting the false narrative created by Reuters. This discrepancy highlighted the role of Reuters’ selective editing in shaping narratives.

In response to the Amsterdam violence, the Dutch government sided with Israel, condemning attacks on Israeli supporters. However, the events sparked growing domestic backlash. Large-scale protests erupted across the country, fueled by outrage over both the violence and the government’s alignment with Israel. Internal political tensions intensified: State Secretary Nora Achahbar resigned in November 2024 in protest over the government’s handling of the events and the polarizing, possibly racist rhetoric surrounding the violence, while Minister Hanneke Boerma resigned in mid‑2025 when the cabinet failed to implement stronger measures against Israel’s actions. While no Dutch government official explicitly called its own people racist, the controversy centered on political statements and polarization that targeted certain groups, including Moroccans and Muslims in Amsterdam. Prime Minister Dick Schoof emphasized that the cabinet sought to represent all people in the Netherlands, while Amsterdam Mayor Femke Halsema later expressed regret for framing the attacks in ways that could weaponize ethnic tensions. These remarks underscored the sensitivity of labeling citizens and the domestic fallout from how the government framed the incidents.

The combination of escalating mass protests, public pressure, and political resignations forced the Dutch government to reassess its stance. This domestic political upheaval set the stage for a U-turn in foreign policy: the Netherlands moved from uncritical support of Israel to a more assertive position within the EU, advocating measures against Israel — including suspension of trade-related provisions in the EU-Israel Association Agreement and restrictions on Israeli participation in Horizon Europe programs — that other member states such as Ireland and Spain had previously struggled to advance.

Now its Oct 2025 - Following the Amsterdam episode, Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters have been banned from attending their upcoming match in Birmingham, England, due to concerns over hooliganism. While Israel may be unhappy with this restriction, a closer look suggests they should actually welcome it. The Amsterdam incident provides a cautionary tale: provocative behavior led to violent clashes, media misrepresentation, and a domestic political crisis in the Netherlands, which ultimately forced the Dutch government into a U-turn in foreign policy, advocating EU measures against Israel. Allowing Maccabi fans into Birmingham risks creating a similar chain of cause and effect: pre-match provocations, potential violence, public outrage, and political pressure that could push England toward policy positions unfavorable to Israel. In this context, the ban is not just a matter of law and order — it is a preventive measure that protects Israel from repeating the Dutch scenario.

In other words, the Birmingham restriction is in Israel’s strategic interest: by keeping fans out, England avoids the domino effect of domestic backlash and foreign policy realignment that occurred in the Netherlands. Cause and effect matter — and sometimes, restrictive measures are needed to prevent long-term problems.

But if they REALLY REALLY want to go, well fine. i'll grab my popcorn.

Placed it in Chat-gpt

The story mixes real events with false or exaggerated claims.
• Athens & Amsterdam: Clashes happened, but there’s no proof Maccabi fans deliberately sought out protests or acted under political motives. Police described public disorder, not organized provocation.
• Reuters editing: No evidence supports claims of manipulated footage or cover-ups; the named photographer and supposed sale to Reuters are unverified.
• Dutch politics: The alleged resignations (Nora Achahbar, Hanneke Boerma) and policy U-turn never occurred. Dutch debates over Israel stemmed from the Gaza conflict, not football violence.
• UK ban: The Birmingham restriction was a routine safety measure, not a diplomatic act.
• Logic flaw: Linking fan behavior to foreign-policy shifts is a post-hoc assumption with no factual basis.

In short, real hooliganism existed, but the political chain and Reuters conspiracy are fictional or unsupported
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Oct 18 2025 11:56am
Placed it in Chat-gpt

The story mixes real events with false or exaggerated claims.
• Athens & Amsterdam: Clashes happened, but there’s no proof Maccabi fans deliberately sought out protests or acted under political motives. Police described public disorder, not organized provocation.
• Reuters editing: No evidence supports claims of manipulated footage or cover-ups; the named photographer and supposed sale to Reuters are unverified.
• Dutch politics: The alleged resignations (Nora Achahbar, Hanneke Boerma) and policy U-turn never occurred. Dutch debates over Israel stemmed from the Gaza conflict, not football violence.
• UK ban: The Birmingham restriction was a routine safety measure, not a diplomatic act.
• Logic flaw: Linking fan behavior to foreign-policy shifts is a post-hoc assumption with no factual basis.

In short, real hooliganism existed, but the political chain and Reuters conspiracy are fictional or unsupported


Its October 18th, its not Dec 25th. Also, I see no need to "win" points. i will give you 2 options:

1. I respond with links and evidence. ( this will not make you or me happy )
2. We settle on "Maccabi Tel Aviv’s travelling supporters include a racist, ultra-nationalist fringe that has been involved in violent incidents abroad — including in Greece and the Netherlands in 2024. In the Netherlands, those events unfolded amid a rising tide of public anger over Israel’s actions in Gaza. While the football violence wasn’t the direct cause, it became part of a wider atmosphere that pushed the Dutch government toward a significant re-evaluation of its stance on Israel at the EU level"

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 18 2025 11:57am
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Oct 19 2025 02:43am
Hamas made a mistake.
For someone being “Genocided” they got a lot of balls.!

Serious incident in Rafah.
There was sniper fire and anti-tank fire.
At least 5 soldiers are wounded 2 were killed

This post was edited by Many_Names on Oct 19 2025 02:57am
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