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Oct 18 2025 05:49am
Awesome, would <3 to look this up.
What is the name of the party and who is in charge?


Come on man?
I looked myself but finding anything remotely controversial on google since it went AI is challenging to say the least.
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Oct 18 2025 05:58am
Come on man?
I looked myself but finding anything remotely controversial on google since it went AI is challenging to say the least.


So you're asking me to give you the name of the party I named in the previous post. I can only figure this makes sense because you're stuck in some kind of Benjamin Button backwards time space wedgie and next up you'll post your predictions about Donald Trump's upcoming meeting with Zelensky, followed by praising the courage of the men holding the steelworks in Mariupol, followed by it a brand new day as Ukraine gains its independence from the Soviet Union, followed by your rallying cry for Yemelyan Pugachev's rebellion against Empress Catherine. Rise ye cossack serfs!
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So you're asking me to give you the name of the party I named in the previous post. I can only figure this makes sense because you're stuck in some kind of Benjamin Button backwards time space wedgie and next up you'll post your predictions about Donald Trump's upcoming meeting with Zelensky, followed by praising the courage of the men holding the steelworks in Mariupol, followed by it a brand new day as Ukraine gains its independence from the Soviet Union, followed by your rallying cry for Yemelyan Pugachev's rebellion against Empress Catherine. Rise ye cossack serfs!


Nah, I just saw some pics of Ukraine soldiers larping as party members a couple years back.
I assumed it was just a goof and didnt look into it further.
So am genuinely surprised to find out it is real.
Not sure what is backwards about that, but for some reason you feel the need to disassociate yourself from me.
Even though you now say the same stuff I was saying 2 years ago and you attacked me for it then.
Funny how things change, no?
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Oct 18 2025 06:13am
Nah, I just saw some pics of Ukraine soldiers larping as party members a couple years back.
I assumed it was just a goof and didnt look into it further.
So am genuinely surprised to find out it is real.
Not sure what is backwards about that, but for some reason you feel the need to disassociate yourself from me.
Even though you now say the same stuff I was saying 2 years ago and you attacked me for it then.
Funny how things change, no?


The guys who tattoo swastikas on their bodies founded a party called the National Socialists Party of Ukraine, its not exactly breaking news or a surprise, Svoboda was founded in 1995 under that name.
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Oct 18 2025 03:00pm
You first.

I’ve copy pasted full definition how Russians define it - in English - in the other thread.

Just checking your level of understanding what’s going on here.


No idea what "other thread" you are referring to.


However vlad and his commie friends define it, it's complete bullshit. Ruski propaganda because vlad wants to remove a democratically elected Ukraine government. Vlad wants pro-putin puppets running ukraine.

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Oct 18 2025 03:25pm
No idea what "other thread" you are referring to.


However vlad and his commie friends define it, it's complete bullshit. Ruski propaganda because vlad wants to remove a democratically elected Ukraine government. Vlad wants pro-putin puppets running ukraine.


you do know that the democratically elected government in Ukraine was removed back in 2014 right? I feel like i am in the Israeli thread again.

one side says the other side is bad because they might remove the democratically elected government.
while at the same time thats exactly what they did back in 2014.

i mean, throwing stones in glass houses here.

there was a brief topic here: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&o=50000

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Oct 18 2025 03:29pm
you do know that the democratically elected government in Ukraine was removed back in 2014 right? I feel like i am in the Israeli thread again.

one side says the other side is bad because they might remove the democratically elected government.
while at the same time thats exactly what they did back in 2014.

i mean, throwing stones in glass houses here.

there was a brief topic here: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&o=50000




Yanukovych was corrupt and an authoritarian. Putin doesn't like pro western governments.
Yanukovych's political turn toward Russia and away from the European Union in late 2013 triggered massive pro-democracy protests.

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Yanukovych was corrupt and an authoritarian. Putin doesn't like pro western governments.
Yanukovych's political turn toward Russia and away from the European Union in late 2013 triggered massive pro-democracy protests.


Yanukovych was recognized as the legitimate democratically elected leader by both east and west. Every post-soviet republic was rife with corruption and authoritarianism, and that only got worse under the new US/EU aligned regime when the oligarchs simply switched to paying off US/EU leaders like Joe Biden and the state started banning the opposition, murdering dissidents and journalists and stopped holding elections entirely.

Yanukovych had an obvious national Ukrainian interest, rather than personal or corrupt, in appeasing Russia and keeping ties with Russia. Because he understood the lengths Russia would go to defend its own back yard.
If the opposition to Yanukovych wanted democratic change, they only had to wait a matter of months and vote him out in the next cycle.
But that didn't happen.
Yanukovych won because the RU-leaning sentiment was the majority, the ethnic russian oblasts more populous. Those who overthrew him were actual neo-Nazis and passed out copies of Mein Kampf in Maidan Square. They were an insurrectionist minority who set off a civil war they could never win on their own, purposefully appealing to foreign masters to turn it into an east vs west proxy conflict, so much for Ukrainian sovereignty. So much for "pro-democracy", they stopped holding elections.

The Ukrainian revolutionaries only conquered the west, and since then they've been fighting a war while laying a pretend claim to an east they've never held for a single day since 2014.
If they dropped their absolutist demands and agreed to the status quo borders, they could maybe even return to being a legitimate democracy in time, where the people of west Ukraine have self-determination.
If tomorrow the separatist regions all inexplicably surrendered and submitted to rule by the west, would they be a "democracy"? The last vote they held as a unified country, the east won.

There's no calculus where this adds up to anything legitimate for west ukraine claiming the east anymore.
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Oct 19 2025 12:02am
Yanukovych was recognized as the legitimate democratically elected leader by both east and west. Every post-soviet republic was rife with corruption and authoritarianism, and that only got worse under the new US/EU aligned regime when the oligarchs simply switched to paying off US/EU leaders like Joe Biden and the state started banning the opposition, murdering dissidents and journalists and stopped holding elections entirely.

Yanukovych had an obvious national Ukrainian interest, rather than personal or corrupt, in appeasing Russia and keeping ties with Russia. Because he understood the lengths Russia would go to defend its own back yard.
If the opposition to Yanukovych wanted democratic change, they only had to wait a matter of months and vote him out in the next cycle.
But that didn't happen.
Yanukovych won because the RU-leaning sentiment was the majority, the ethnic russian oblasts more populous. Those who overthrew him were actual neo-Nazis and passed out copies of Mein Kampf in Maidan Square. They were an insurrectionist minority who set off a civil war they could never win on their own, purposefully appealing to foreign masters to turn it into an east vs west proxy conflict, so much for Ukrainian sovereignty. So much for "pro-democracy", they stopped holding elections.

The Ukrainian revolutionaries only conquered the west, and since then they've been fighting a war while laying a pretend claim to an east they've never held for a single day since 2014.
If they dropped their absolutist demands and agreed to the status quo borders, they could maybe even return to being a legitimate democracy in time, where the people of west Ukraine have self-determination.
If tomorrow the separatist regions all inexplicably surrendered and submitted to rule by the west, would they be a "democracy"? The last vote they held as a unified country, the east won.

There's no calculus where this adds up to anything legitimate for west ukraine claiming the east anymore.


I'd like some actual proof they were passing out mein kampf written in russian/Ukraine. You would think their would be actual proof of these books. Sounds like complete BS ruski propaganda

Probably the best option for the war to end. Give vlad the 20% of eastern Ukraine under his current control. Plus, if vlad attacks Ukraine again, full nato participation happens.

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I'd like some actual proof they were passing out mein kampf written in russian/Ukraine. You would think their would be actual proof of these books. Sounds like complete BS ruski propaganda


https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2014-02-25/ty-article/.premium/ukraine-jews-new-dilemma/0000017f-f603-d044-adff-f7fb24ad0000

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At least three beatings of Jews and two vandalism attacks on synagogues have taken place in central Kiev, not far from the anti-Yanukovych demonstrations. And it has spread further afield – this week there was a report of a Molotov cocktail attack on a synagogue and Jewish community center in Zaporozhye, in southeastern Ukraine.
These aren't the pogroms of old, but many Jews in Ukraine are quietly wondering whether they may be harbingers.
"The greatest concern is what happens if a mob is suddenly incited to go and attack a synagogue or a Jewish school - in the current situation, will the police go out of their way to stop them?" asked a senior official in a Ukrainian Jewish organization.
The greatest worry now is not the uptick in anti-Semitic incidents but the major presence of ultra-nationalist movements, especially the prominence of the Svoboda party and Pravy Sektor (right sector) members among the demonstrators. Many of them are calling their political opponents "Zhids" and flying flags with neo-Nazi symbols. There have also been reports, from reliable sources, of these movements distributing freshly translated editions of Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Independence Square.


Haaretz in February 2014, some 3 months after the revolution
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