I disagree on this. Israel's foundation is very solid, since the creation of the state there was never a moment to support the notion of weakness. They did whatever they felt they had to, and they have never demonstrated weakness. on the contrary. In addition, apart from this current conflict they have carved out an understanding with the international community. Yes, nations complain about them, but in a few years time there is no evidence to support the notion that Israel will be isolated. we just have to look back over the last number of decades to accept that the western political body supports, aids Israel in their actions both near and abroad.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 16 2025 08:39am

support is a valid point, but the entire nation is a safe haven for jewish people to be isolated safely from those who want to harm them. and the location is in the middle of all of the countries who arguably hate jews more than anyone else on the planet. in south america people likely didnt even know what Judaism is in the 1940s by-and-large, let alone thousands year old blood libel tropes. african nations to this day would lack the ability to really attack a well supported nation. Europe needed to be rebuilt and clearly the post Holocaust education of what the Nazis did rightfully drove massive empathy towards jewish people. etc. etc. etc.

there is one place you could point to a map and say "wheres the worst spot to try this", and they chose that spot. not for safety, or for ease of success. but because the early founders knew they could get more people to move to the holy land, and allies wanted a group that would protect Christian religious sites in the holy land. of course it's well supported, it wouldnt have even lasted 10 years without massive support.

Is there a test?

yes, it's one question: "are jews white".

what happens when the jews say no?

well, we are where we are. no point arguing over spilled milk. or whatever metaphor you want to use. Israel is not going anywhere and the issue at hand is what does tomorrow look like.

i think honestly the only way to prevent it isn't israel leaving the middle east, but i do think some recognition of the past issues they caused and paying some restitution for those is the only way towards lasting peace. in reality it likely means a 2 state solution, aid paid to that new state, babysitting of that new state, and ignoring terrorist attacks that may come from that new nation. israel is pretty against all of that, yet claims security is their only concern. imagine driving 100 miles per hour down a highway and saying its for your safety. patently insane.

I am no longer angry when people bring up a single IDF incident, even though it was the IDF itself that identified where it happened, while on the other side Hamas carried out hundreds of brutal attacks involving murder, rape, and mutilation of civilians.


Watch “the road between us: the ultimate rescue” maybe it will give you some perspective of Israeli view.

hang on, I have israeli perspective already but yes i will go watch that. being able to put yourself into someone elses shoes and views is an acquired skill as part of my job. anyways...

Reports and evidence indicate that Israeli forces have burned buildings and engaged in a broader "scorched earth" policy in Gaza, with some incidents allegedly occurring as they withdrew from certain areas.
Multiple sources, including human rights monitors, news reports, and social media posts, have documented these acts.
easily googled
one source "Drop site"
In the immediate aftermath of Donald Trump’s announcement on Thursday that both Hamas and Israel had signed off on an agreement to stop the fighting, the Israeli military launched an arson spree, setting fire to civilian infrastructure, including the destruction of an essential sanitation plant in Gaza City. After publication, the Israel Defense Forces told Drop Site it “is aware of the incident and it is being reviewed.”