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Oct 9 2025 04:27am
I am not going to continue if you keep the BS.


i would remind you that you said these are numbers out of context irrelevant.
i must admit that I finally understand now.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 9 2025 04:48am
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Oct 9 2025 06:19am
You make some interesting points, but your entire argument rests on the false idea that Israel exists because others “gave” it something. No one gave my grandparents anything. No Europeans or Americans were here in 1948 when they fought five invading Arab armies with barely any weapons and built this country from the ground up.

Israel’s survival has never depended on world approval. Support has come and gone, yet we remain standing because our security is built on our own strength, not sympathy.

You talk about perception, but we live in reality, surrounded by groups that have tried to destroy us since day one. If we stop defending ourselves, we don’t lose “support,” we lose lives. And history shows that when Jews rely on others for protection, it ends badly.

So while you worry about what the world will think, we’ll keep worrying about staying alive


thank goodness the creation of israel starts then, right? i for one am glad, ive been told for years the americans and brits were at fault because we cleared out all of the palestinians on your land. but thanks for filling me in and letting me know that never happened and you actually did it all alone.

get real, you'd all be dead without constant USA support. you MIGHT, and i mean MIGHT, be able to survive now without us. but thats brand new. you have existed at the behest of the USA. with or without us there you're just a welfare state historically.
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Oct 9 2025 06:43am
You’re mixing up history with morality.
Israel didn’t take land from Palestinians in 1967, it took it from Jordan and Egypt, who grabbed it back in 1948.
There was no Palestinian state then, and those same Arab countries used the area to launch attacks instead of accepting peace.

About the hostage deal, Israel already agreed. Now everyone’s waiting for Hamas, the group that butchered civilians and still holds hostages, to actually follow through.
Israel doesn’t need some “excuse” to defend itself, Hamas started this war the second it crossed the border and murdered families.


I'm mixing up history and morality? What does that even mean?
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/6/4/the-naksa-how-israel-occupied-the-whole-of-palestine-in-1967#:~:text=In%201967%2C%20Israel%20absorbed%20the,a%20half%20times%20its%20size.

Now can you answer me this: If a country has a secret nuclear arsenal, is known for assassinations of foreign citizens suspected of crimes, embraces torture, kidnaps women and children, starves people in captivity, illegally forces people and families from their homes. Would you classify such a society as "the good guys"?
Not to mention war crimes since 1948 until present day and accussations of genocide.
Face it. Israel is and have been now, for a long time, the bad guys. If you disagree i would love to hear you arguments on why torture prisons is necessary? Kidnapping of women and children? Starving people in captivity? What does a morally good society do this for? Please make an argument for illegal settlemtents in West Bank? Please advise why it's good Israel runs an apartheid state?

This post was edited by DocPhil on Oct 9 2025 06:43am
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Oct 9 2025 09:02am
Lol trying to have an argument in good faith with a guy that has 9 porn tabs open while he parrots Ben gvirs talking points for you :rofl:


You guys are patient 😂
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I'm mixing up history and morality? What does that even mean?
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/6/4/the-naksa-how-israel-occupied-the-whole-of-palestine-in-1967#:~:text=In%201967%2C%20Israel%20absorbed%20the,a%20half%20times%20its%20size.

Now can you answer me this: If a country has a secret nuclear arsenal, is known for assassinations of foreign citizens suspected of crimes, embraces torture, kidnaps women and children, starves people in captivity, illegally forces people and families from their homes. Would you classify such a society as "the good guys"?
Not to mention war crimes since 1948 until present day and accussations of genocide.
Face it. Israel is and have been now, for a long time, the bad guys. If you disagree i would love to hear you arguments on why torture prisons is necessary? Kidnapping of women and children? Starving people in captivity? What does a morally good society do this for? Please make an argument for illegal settlemtents in West Bank? Please advise why it's good Israel runs an apartheid state?


your missing the point, all that is irrelevant in his world view.
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Oct 9 2025 09:19am
your missing the point, all that is irrelevant in his world view.


This

Also Ferdia Bro . *You are :rofl:
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Oct 9 2025 09:26am
I'm mixing up history and morality? What does that even mean?
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/6/4/the-naksa-how-israel-occupied-the-whole-of-palestine-in-1967#:~:text=In%201967%2C%20Israel%20absorbed%20the,a%20half%20times%20its%20size.

Now can you answer me this: If a country has a secret nuclear arsenal, is known for assassinations of foreign citizens suspected of crimes, embraces torture, kidnaps women and children, starves people in captivity, illegally forces people and families from their homes. Would you classify such a society as "the good guys"?
Not to mention war crimes since 1948 until present day and accussations of genocide.
Face it. Israel is and have been now, for a long time, the bad guys. If you disagree i would love to hear you arguments on why torture prisons is necessary? Kidnapping of women and children? Starving people in captivity? What does a morally good society do this for? Please make an argument for illegal settlemtents in West Bank? Please advise why it's good Israel runs an apartheid state?


you know the old saying, if you're going to make an Israeli omelette you have to crack a few baby skulls.
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Oct 9 2025 03:07pm
thank goodness the creation of israel starts then, right? i for one am glad, ive been told for years the americans and brits were at fault because we cleared out all of the palestinians on your land. but thanks for filling me in and letting me know that never happened and you actually did it all alone.

get real, you'd all be dead without constant USA support. you MIGHT, and i mean MIGHT, be able to survive now without us. but thats brand new. you have existed at the behest of the USA. with or without us there you're just a welfare state historically.


No one cleared the way replace your history books.
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Oct 9 2025 03:10pm
I'm mixing up history and morality? What does that even mean?
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/6/4/the-naksa-how-israel-occupied-the-whole-of-palestine-in-1967#:~:text=In%201967%2C%20Israel%20absorbed%20the,a%20half%20times%20its%20size.

Now can you answer me this: If a country has a secret nuclear arsenal, is known for assassinations of foreign citizens suspected of crimes, embraces torture, kidnaps women and children, starves people in captivity, illegally forces people and families from their homes. Would you classify such a society as "the good guys"?
Not to mention war crimes since 1948 until present day and accussations of genocide.
Face it. Israel is and have been now, for a long time, the bad guys. If you disagree i would love to hear you arguments on why torture prisons is necessary? Kidnapping of women and children? Starving people in captivity? What does a morally good society do this for? Please make an argument for illegal settlemtents in West Bank? Please advise why it's good Israel runs an apartheid state?


There was no Genocide, no one is starving when the fog of war clear you will see for yourself.

They already sings: “Khaybar, Khaybar, ya Yahud” means “Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews.”

It refers to the Battle of Khaybar in 628 CE, when early Muslim forces defeated a Jewish tribe in Arabia. The phrase is often used today as an anti-Jewish chant implying “what happened in Khaybar will happen again and thats 10 mins after the ceasefire.
They will make a mistake and we will be there to bomb them to oblivion until they surrender or leave (refering to hamas)not because we hate them because they want us dead.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Oct 9 2025 03:19pm
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Oct 9 2025 09:13pm
There was no Genocide, no one is starving when the fog of war clear you will see for yourself.

They already sings: “Khaybar, Khaybar, ya Yahud” means “Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews.”

It refers to the Battle of Khaybar in 628 CE, when early Muslim forces defeated a Jewish tribe in Arabia. The phrase is often used today as an anti-Jewish chant implying “what happened in Khaybar will happen again and thats 10 mins after the ceasefire.
They will make a mistake and we will be there to bomb them to oblivion until they surrender or leave (refering to hamas)not because we hate them because they want us dead.


I consider the people who say there is no genocide in Gaza as some of the most ignorant people in the world. Imagine having endless videos and pictures that show the true horrors in Gaza actively happening and going, "nope, fake". I swear, I thank every day I am not this ignorant.
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