"my brain can easily accept direct contradictions as long as the Israeli news tells me its ok".

you're a real life orwell character.

This cartoon, published in The New York Times the day after the establishment of the State of Israel, captures a rare moment when, for just one instant, the West understood who were the good guys and who were the Nazis - just like the brief clarity that followed October 7.

On one side stands “Palestine” - symbolizing the reborn Jewish nation - with a sword in her hand. Opposite her stands the Grand Mufti, dressed in a Nazi uniform - a clear reference to Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem during World War II, who closely collaborated with Hitler’s regime, supported the systematic extermination of Jews, and later led the Arab opposition to the new Jewish state.

The caption beneath, “Not like Dachau, eh, Mr. Mufti?”, cuts like a knife. Only three years after the liberation of the Nazi death camps, the Jews - those who had been persecuted and slaughtered in Europe - were fighting back, this time against those who had stood beside their murderers.

For a brief moment, public opinion understood that the birth of Israel was not an act of conquest, but of survival. The Arab leaders who opposed its creation did so under the shadow of their alliance with Nazism, and the victims of Dachau were no longer helpless. But it lasted only for a moment, just as after Israel’s victories and again after its extraordinary resurgence following October 7 - the world returned to forgetting who the good guys and who the Nazis really are.

Reminds me of the dark knights where he says "you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
This is the story of israel.
Israel has been corrupted, twisted and is now committing all acts of horror and terror it can think of against a vastly civilian population, not for safety but for land, for power and for greed.
The only ones wearing a nazi uniform is the people that support the current government and their ideological lunacy.

You’re quoting a movie, but this isn’t fiction, it’s reality.
Israel didn’t “become the villain”. It’s been forced to keep fighting people who never stopped wanting it erased.

The same ideology that stood with the Nazis back then is still driving the hate now. Hamas and their backers don’t want peace or compromise, they want Jews dead. That’s not about land or greed, it’s about survival.

If defending your people from murderers makes you “corrupted,” then something’s off with your moral compass.
The cartoon wasn’t about perfection, it was about clarity. For one short moment, the world saw who was fighting for life and who was glorifying death. That truth hasn’t changed, only people’s willingness to admit it has.

nevermind.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 8 2025 06:47am

Israel is indeed the villain.
Hamas and their backers? You mean the current israeli government?
Hamas doesn't want peace? they were discussing to sign the approved plan and israel bombed a foreign country to disrupt that very agreement.
If it's not about land or greed why is Israel taking settlements in the west bank?
A country that has between 40-600 nukes against a place they have occupied for 70 years yet they fight for their survival? Hardly.
Israeli ministers calls for nuking gaza, starving them, wishing them more painful deaths, have torture prisons, imprisoning, without trial, thousands of kids and women ect ect. With all this evidence, who really wants who dead?

lucky for you you will will through historic times. for nearly 100 years Israel has enjoyed an almost worldwide spread of support and good favor. the Arab world hated you, not just because you were jewish but that certainly had a strong role, but the rest of the world saw Israel as extremely favorable. you were given, yes given, land because of the genocide your people faced in Europe. also it was a really good way for the other antisemetic nations who didnt go full hitler to expel by choice most of your people. but hey thats just flavor text. and in the historic modern era you are in now you'll be viewing the entire world's perception of your nation and people change. slowly you'll watch support eek away due to the actions you deem survival until one day Israel is not on an island just in the arab world but more broadly as well.

then comes the irony. "we must be safe" is the constant excuse you and your people use. and when you lose the support of europe and the united states you'll be decidedly less safe. your kids and grand kids may come one day to live in constant fear, because Uncle Sam may not be ready to park aircraft carriers outside of your nation. and the next 10-7 attack may be on 5 sides all at once. all because you fools decided turning a territory into rubble was the only way to stay safe. i hope im wrong, i hope your govt topples and a new more moderate ones takes its place that can right the ship. but i dont think so, you're stuck now. you have the same end of war nightmare the US faced in iraq and afghanistan (thanks for that mess btw), only you dont have the economy, people, or distance to weather the storm like we did. you'll prob be shipping off weapons to the saudis in 10 years hoping they can stop the iranians from constantly proxying you into a slow death.

You make some interesting points, but your entire argument rests on the false idea that Israel exists because others “gave” it something. No one gave my grandparents anything. No Europeans or Americans were here in 1948 when they fought five invading Arab armies with barely any weapons and built this country from the ground up.

Israel’s survival has never depended on world approval. Support has come and gone, yet we remain standing because our security is built on our own strength, not sympathy.

You talk about perception, but we live in reality, surrounded by groups that have tried to destroy us since day one. If we stop defending ourselves, we don’t lose “support,” we lose lives. And history shows that when Jews rely on others for protection, it ends badly.

So while you worry about what the world will think, we’ll keep worrying about staying alive

Occupied from who?

How far would Israel's own strength go without arms supplies and backup from the US, though? Could they produce enough Iron Dome interceptors? Would they have enough firepower to deter other players in the region in a conflict situation like the Twelve Day War without Uncle Sam parking carrier groups in the Mediterranean? Do the IDF have similarly effective bunker busters if they need to take out Iranian nuclear facilities in the future?

If Israel was truly isolated and alone on the global stage, if it had to stand 100% on its own feet, cope with nothing but the natural resources and the industrial production it can muster from its own, tiny territory, then its military position would be magnitudes more tenuous.