what metaphysical baggage are you bringing when you say 'real life'

omnipotence is the ability to do anything logically possible, not the ability to do contradictory, logically impossible, or conceptually meaningless things.

the hypothetical the OP used has certain presuppositions and metaphysical baggage when you are speaking of God and omnipotence, and within that framework certain things are necessarily true which makes his question incoherent. you cannot create a hypothetical that violates the necessary laws of logic that are interdependent on metaphysics and theology and then demand a coherent answer within that hypothetical

Theologically, people can disagree a lot regarding God. Some would argue that God can 'diminish His powers' (if you find that word choice of 'power' not accurate here, replace it with w/e you find more suitable). Some would argue that God accumulated His knowledge over time, as opposed to Him always having had this knowledge and omnipotence. You would call them wrong, and they would call you wrong. It's not something that is provable (you can't really prove that God is omnipotent), it's a matter of faith and belief.

I am not here to debate from a theological point of view.

Also, creating something that you cannot lift isn't as much of a logical inconsistency as 'a square circle' (which is literally impossible). I could create a car (assuming I knew how to) that I cannot lift - it's not a logical inconsistency.

That is why in my thought experiment 'omnipotency' meant exactly that - that God could do anything, including making himself unable to do something (again, disagreeing with it is a matter of theology and is not something that can be proved). All I am doing is treating the word 'everything' literally. Yes, you could say 'but God is not the same as you depict him in your thought experiment'. And then, someone else could come and disagree with your perception of God. And neither could prove anything.

That's why my thought experiment is exactly only that - a thought experiment, and it shouldn't be treated as 'actual description of what God is/can do'. I am humble enough to admit that there are many things I don't know about God.

This post was edited by kin198989 on Oct 3 2025 05:40am

You are not God in this comparison, which is why the metaphysical baggage is imporant and if you import some worldview where God isn't God and doesn't have omnipotence in His divine nature and gains his knowledge over time etc then it's a completely different discussion from the normal question the OP is asking and how the conversation in the thread has developed. This question isn't new and it's typically framed to the Christian understanding of God, not whatever "God" you just made up. It would have been more clear if you were referring to some other version of God you seem to be alluding to randomly.

I asked your metaphysical baggage because it is inescapable.

disagreeing with your definition isn't a matter of theology, it is a matter of logical coherency. You aren't treating 'everything' literally as non-things or contradictions aren't things.

and I disagree with your stance that all of these worldviews are equally valid and equally not provable, as far as you can prove anything logically using argumentation you can do the same for God.

I don't really understand what you mean by 'metaphysical baggage' tbh.

Let's just replace the word 'God' in my initial thought experiment with the word 'omnipotent being', as I really don't want to go that deep into it, like i said it was just a thought experiment.

But this caught my attention:

What proof is there that God is omnipotent? Imo it's just a matter of faith, you either believe He is, or you don't believe He is, or you don't believe in Him at all. How can you actually prove that He is omnipotent? Or how can one be more provable than the other?

This post was edited by kin198989 on Oct 3 2025 06:54am

it's about the entailment on the ontological status of the necessary being or God that must be true in order to have a coherent worldview, only so many worldviews are possible and if you suppose one where God lacks omnipotence or doesn't exist at all it will then lack epistemic justification for truth in the world or many other transcendental categories like logic, reason, knowledge, order, etc.

These other worldviews, especially materialism or atheism, lack an account of or justification for logic or reason at all. The reason how one can be more provable than the other is only a specific paradigm can give justification for these transcendental categories while the others do not.

I would agree that even tho we can't really prove God the way we can prove other things, it still makes more sense for God to exist than not to exist. Like the world itself points to the Creator, someone had to make it.

But I fail to see how it is more plausible to believe that He is omnipotent instead of the most powerful being in the universe BUT not omnipotent in a way that He can do absolutely anything (anything logically consistent) He wants. Both are a matter of one's faith.

This post was edited by kin198989 on Oct 3 2025 08:00am

The first book in the Bible answers all this very simply.
The rest of the Bible just supports it, and teaches us how to avoid hell, how to operate as good Christians, or disciples of Jesus, and teaches us that Salvation is through Jesus; we are cleansed by the Blood of Christ.
When we Sin, we create a barrier between us and God. When we repent and believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, we can come before God only through his son Christ Jesus. We have a sin nature, and its up to us to not give in and repent when we do.
Being saved isn't something we gain by good works, its through faith alone. The Bible explicitly states it.

If WE want no evil in the world, then WE need to change our Sin. Really simple. After the flood, God promised not to wipe out humanity ever again.
God doesn't punish you in Hell, Satan does. You go Hell because of your works, your sins. God doesn't want anyone to be damned and cast into the Pits.
Thats why salvation is so important.

Also, if you pray to God, but don't believe in Christ Jesus, how can one expect the prayer to be answer. Prayers are of Faith.
and if youre still breathing, you still have a chance and are already blessed. You can achieve further blessings through faith.

I've only been a Christian for 6 months, so I just answered according to my Faith and whats happened in my life, and what I've learned in my discipleship.
I spent 34 years in a disgusting life, I was raped, sold for drugs, abused, forced to sell drugs, I was physically abused, an addict, in and out of jail into my adult years, and I found salvation in march of this year and I have witnessed absolutely insane blessings, that I have tried to obtain in the world for many, many years and never received them.
I have 2 kids, a successful business and getting married tomorrow with my Pastor, my mentor and the entire Church supporting me. God is Real.

God didn’t make you gay. Out of lust and degeneracy you have decided to be gay.

God could make everyone perfect but that doesn’t provide him with the glory that He received from everyone not being perfect. (Otherwise everyone would be)

God allows people like you to exist so that way you can be made to show his glory by you being sent to hell.


Romans 9:22-23
New International Version
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory—

That’s false, no one decides to be gay. You can decide to act on it though.

I can do sexual acts with a man, and if that man is not enjoying it at all, and not turned on by men at all, then that person is not bi or gay - they are just performing an action. Being gay isn’t an action, it’s something ingrained in you. Some people try things once out of curiosity and then never try it again - that doesn’t make them “gay”

This post was edited by xxsjxx1 on Oct 3 2025 07:41pm

If someone identifies themselves as gay it’s because they have decided to be attracted to men.