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Oct 1 2025 11:35pm
That’s what people were asking for in another thread.
I even added the infamous coh eschuta jmod as the 4th build lol.
Only used here to expose how the dmg curves quickly invert themselves when you prioritize flat dmg over light pen.

I used treks. Could have been any other boots and it wouldn’t have changed anything about this study as long as we use the same boots on all builds.
I already had to use some expensive 2/20 amy on the ormus and orb setup, to reach 105 like on the standard cheaper viper setup.

And saying that treks are bad is just wrong in the first place.
Using ultra expensive crafted caster boots just to improve your mana pool makes no difference.
You don’t die from not having enough mana to tank just about any hit in the game… no.
You are subject to dying vs souls, where some extra mana won’t save you.
You are subject to dying by a hit following your small heath pool being quickly lowered by strong psn dmg. And having cure on merc is not fixing this problem instantly. Pairing it with psn res helps a lot.
And you are, more rarely, subject to dying from a bad telestomp against the worst amp + might/fana packs, where having much higher def could also save you.


None of your builds have magicfind bro...
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/e7rnj0gj

Here's a decent build for you that's a good balance with some nice defensive stats and mf. Not gonna bother with SC's or real stats for the 10fcr ring. You can run this with lidless or spirit too but there's a pretty decent damage loss. Then again the jmod kinda kills the budget-mindset of the setup.

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Oct 2 2025 12:09am
Are yall actually running JMOD and then not going for block?

At that point i feel like it's better to go for like Fhr/PsnLengthReduc/Flat PDR/Flat MDR.
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Oct 2 2025 12:39am
Are yall actually running JMOD and then not going for block?

At that point i feel like it's better to go for like Fhr/PsnLengthReduc/Flat PDR/Flat MDR.


nn block on an ES sorc tbh

All those would work as well or better than the deflecting modifier

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Oct 2 2025 12:49am
You guys went left field.
I clearly mentioned that “for the purpose of an easier/fair comparison” as treks are by far the most popular choice, the easy to obtain option, and the least relevant piece of gear.
This is a study. The more you start including some gg impossible to obtain craft/rare items, the less relevant becomes the study.
And this is study mostly looking at dmg and cost-to-effectiveness, defensive stats being the least concern.
So it’s a bit sad if you guys nitpicked the most irrelevant detail in the whole thing and ignored everything that was important.


https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/nnrt10gq

I said I wasnt gonna do it but here's the final version with all the sc's/stats. I'm 1 point short of lvl 40 ES but if youre gonna hold that against me they can just swap the ring for soj for prebuff or ammy for +3lite.

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https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/nnrt10gq

I said I wasnt gonna do it but here's the final version with all the sc's/stats. I'm 1 point short of lvl 40 ES but if youre gonna hold that against me they can just swap the ring for soj for prebuff or ammy for +3lite.


so to sum up

your big brained mf build has:
167 mf
22.3k dmg vs 0 res mobs
9.8k dmg vs immunes
1.3k l 2.8k m
a jmod

the build everyone uses has:
28.3k dmg vs 0 res mobs
15.1k dmg vs immunes
1.2k life/3.3k mana
can reach 167 mf by switching boots, using gheed and some mf scs
no jmod

hm
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Oct 2 2025 01:37am
4pc Tals… :wallbash:
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Oct 2 2025 03:55am
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/nnrt10gq

I said I wasnt gonna do it but here's the final version with all the sc's/stats. I'm 1 point short of lvl 40 ES but if youre gonna hold that against me they can just swap the ring for soj for prebuff or ammy for +3lite.


Dear god that’s shit. Please stop
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Oct 2 2025 04:48am
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/nnrt10gq

I said I wasnt gonna do it but here's the final version with all the sc's/stats. I'm 1 point short of lvl 40 ES but if youre gonna hold that against me they can just swap the ring for soj for prebuff or ammy for +3lite.


wow this is gg :thumbsup:
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Oct 2 2025 04:54am
None of your builds have magicfind bro...
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/e7rnj0gj

Here's a decent build for you that's a good balance with some nice defensive stats and mf. Not gonna bother with SC's or real stats for the 10fcr ring. You can run this with lidless or spirit too but there's a pretty decent damage loss. Then again the jmod kinda kills the budget-mindset of the setup.


It seems you’re yet again completely unable to understand that this is a study that compares builds on the same turf.
I ain’t gonna compare a real build to a mf build, that would completely loose its purpose.
But let’s be honest, this build suggestion tells a lot about your IQ.

That said, you really need to learn the game basics about mf…

People often say that clearing fast is better than having higher mf.
That’s not it…
The real reason is that, when you kill high density, you kill lots of regular mobs, not just elites/bosses.
Vs regular mobs, higher mf is only converting all the potentially good white items into a bunch of blue items where the only few blue items that could have value are not even worth the time spent to id them.
So mf is a nuisance to most of your drops, not just slowing your clear speed.

And seriously… on any build that is not trying to achieve high density destroying at fast pace on p8, you better just play a p1 barb and get way more drops from elites than what you get on p8.
Cuz the player count only increase regular mobs drops, not elite drops. So a barb can reach around 1.75x more drops than an elite sniper on p8.
That is… if your goal is to find uniques/sets.
If you want bases, rares, hrs, charms, crafting supplies, then play a p8 density destroyer with lowest possible mf.
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Oct 2 2025 04:59am
It seems you’re yet again completely unable to understand that this is a study that compares builds on the same turf.
I ain’t gonna compare a real build to a mf build, that would completely loose its purpose.
But let’s be honest, this build suggestion tells a lot about your IQ.

That said, you really need to learn the game basics about mf…

People often say that clearing fast is better than having higher mf.
That’s not it…
The real reason is that, when you kill high density, you kill lots of regular mobs, not just elites/bosses.
Vs regular mobs, higher mf is only converting all the potentially good white items into a bunch of blue items where the only few blue items that could have value are not even worth the time spent to id them.
So mf is a nuisance to most of your drops, not just slowing your clear speed.

And seriously… on any build that is not trying to achieve high density destroying at fast pace on p8, you better just play a p1 barb and get way more drops from elites than what you get on p8.
Cuz the player count only increase regular mobs drops, not elite drops. So a barb can reach around 1.75x more drops than an elite sniper on p8.
That is… if your goal is to find uniques/sets.
If you want bases, rares, hrs, charms, crafting supplies, then play a p8 density destroyer with lowest possible mf.


Loose it's purpose . Iq lol
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