OK, lets look at the current "deal" - Hamas is inclined to accept a Gaza peace plan laid out by Donald Trump but only under certain conditions, officials close to Israel-Hamas negotiations in Qatar told Haaretz. The group is currently consulting with other Palestinian factions to come to a unified position on the plan. Hamas is expected to clarify that it is willing to accept the outline in the form that was presented to Arab leaders last week, before prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu made changes to it, the outlet added.

From this we have to accept that the deal is dead. Benjamin Netanyahu once again changed the goal posts to ensure no deal.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 1 2025 07:27am

Out of curiosity, has the 1500+ pages of discussion been anything more than just:
- israel has a right to prevent future attacks but shouldnt kill/starve innocent people
- hamas should return the remaining hostages and disband / face justice

LoL Berkowitz

The last name of Timon from the Lion King

i agree in the current phase, what id refer to as micro, that israel is to blame for a lack of a deal. not surprising, they're winning the "war" without almost any resistance. you don't offer "good" deals to people you're defeating handily. unless you want lasting peace (see WW1 to WW2 disaster of a treaty that was never meant for peace, but for punishment).

im simply stating, and its just my opinion, that Israel could offer full statehood to gaza, with zero supervision, and even offer aid. and in 5-10 years we'd be right back where we are but with the State of Palestine vs Israel. since Arafat declined statehood its been clear that there will never be lasting peace. israel either understands and accepts this OR also doesnt want peace. i tend to believe they are just comfortable fighting everyone around them at this point and accept it, but also the current govt needs war to retain power. so its a bit of both imo.

deal or no deal its not a peace deal, its a temporary ceasefire. gazans will attack again, even if given a state, and they wont get a state most likely in any case. its a ball of yarn mess.

My argument is that Israel can not expect a lasting peace, with WW1 as a blueprint, by forcing Hamas to sign a punitive treaty.

I didn't counter that, i agree. my argument is that israel can not expect a lasting peace no matter what they do. they will face terrorist organizations in Gaza, the West Bank, Syria, Lebanon, etc forever. Even if Israel said today that both the west bank and gaza can form their own state, and did not kill a single other person for the next 50 years, they would still face terror attacks.

I dont like how israel handled this war, and i dont like how they've handled many things in the past. i just also at the same time think it doesnt matter what they do, they'll get attacked regardless forever as long as the state of israel exists. the best they can hope for it an alliance with the Sunni muslim world, so at least they only have to fight Shia Islam. and they'll get Sunni intel and backing.

there see, we agreed in the end. well, kind of.

If Israel stopped stealing land in the west bank and you know, stopped with the whole genocide thing and started treating palestinians as israeli's, alot of their problems would be minimized.

outside of people dying on october 7th what "problems" does Israel really face?

they've been stealing land in the West Bank from the moment Arafat declined the deal, block by block. and even with that, and multiple incursions into Gaza, Lebanon, and just about everywhere around them, they still somehow managed to secretly Ally with Sunni nations and nearly pulled off the Abraham accords.

they're not debt burdened by war in the way the USA or UK were, war is costly but not debt incursion costly. and they have a thriving tech sector.

that's the problem, imo. all of the trouble they've brought on themselves hasn't really hurt them in the longrun. they're thriving.

thats the problem really. with no problems they dont see the need to compromise. they are the biggest bully in the playground and can practically do whatever they want, for now.