While I support this system being from Canada. The issue as a person who takes care of themselves is that the majority of the population no longer do and its even worse in the USA.

The USA and even partly Canada are disgustingly obese, largely seditary, and have in general littler regards for their health.

I'd like to see some changes to Canada where guidelines are set that actually bar people from access to public health funds due to poor life choices. Now where do we draw that line and how do we make that judgement call that's the difficult part. Hurt while speeding / doing something illegal, should that not be covered? Obese? Doing highly risky legal activities. It's a hard line to draw in the sand but a start would be ideal.

This post was edited by SBD on Sep 30 2025 04:10pm

They used to do that with insurance in the states before obamacare. Now they can't deny people for preexisting conditions. Honestly Healthcare wasn't that insane of an issue until rent and mortgages started creeping into unaffordability over the last couple decades.
Now businesses are failing left and right because most people spend over half their income on housing and can't afford anything extra. Hell a blown tire puts most people in the red now.

Or we could just nationalize the entire health industry, put funding and mandates into radical intervention drugs that people would want to use to mitigate their poor lifestyle choices and make them widely available for free. The obvious examples being Ozempic and STD / HIV treatment drugs.
Now what exactly is the downside in a well managed system that does all of this? People who are obese and sedentary might have an incentive to actually take up active lifestyles if easily available drugs will provide them the fitness and energy to go outside and stop being slobs, and there would be a much stronger cultural taboo and social pressure to stop being a human lard roll if its an easily available choice instead of something that requires hard work and discipline. We clearly have the technological means within our grasp, and a combination of bureaucracy and politics are holding us back, namely the capitalist system that incentivizes the farming of our proletariat masses. Former generations just mistook them as being the hard working means of production when they were really swine and cash cows

Can we just make it so the cost of a newborn baby natural birth is less than open heart surgery for a geezer?

Best I can do is put tarrifs on kitchen and bathroom cabinets.

You... You do realize that universal healthcare has been proven time and time again to be much cheaper than privatized insurance, right? You might want to look into it.

Damn, we don't even have houses tho

Because socialists fucking built the health care system from the ground up, without government grant money and subsidies the entire industry collapses.
Now why do YOU think big pharma is entitled to MY money?

They’re not, you should be able to go insurance free if you want to. That’s another example of democrat authoritarianism.

Except it hasn't. In fact numerous cases where universal healthcare has broken down with failure to deliver benefits or moves to socialize healthcare have skyrocketed prices, most obviously the ACA as an example. Premiums tripled for a lot of people who lost their doctors anyway, thanks Obama. How much of that 400b income for unitedhealth is coming from taxpayer subsidization right now?

There are obvious pitfalls on the way to a functional socialized healthcare system and the democrats have figured out how to step on every rake. You can't massively expand benefits being paid out without offsetting it with increased revenue, and the uninsurables and ER walk-ins put vastly disproportionate strain on limited resources. Yet just 5 years ago, every single democrat on stage for the last real presidential primary raised their hand to say they would provide taxpayer funded healthcare for illegal aliens. Which is moronic.

We need to actually cut the costs, which could mean nationalizing the production, nationalizing research, providing the interventions that would lead the populace away from being fat and lazy drug addicts, and cut off the services we shouldn't be providing.